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the smoke radio for the

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masses headline edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year 1985

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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how you doing fade to black

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how you doing today is monday may 16th

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2022 for kjcr the game changer and annex

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i'm your host jimmy church let's do this

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tonight kicking off another amazing week

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here on fade to black we welcome very

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special guest john michael gautier is

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author and host of the event horizon

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tomorrow night jay widener is here

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we're going for tomorrow night it's a

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of the esoteric wednesday night

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big night here on fade to black just

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like tonight randall nickerson joins us

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film it is called ariel phenomenon i

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night with open lines all night long

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another great week coming up here on

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a couple of announcements really quick

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we have sold out

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our tour in egypt this october with

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80 friends that were lucky enough to uh

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to get things arranged and uh that's it

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it is sold out

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billy carson though coming up on june

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for the world premiere of billy's new

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movie the black knight

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and so that's june 5th and i posted out

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on uh social media today

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and i think i've got it in the links

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uh indiana ohio right and you want to

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come to the premiere uh which is sunday

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uh little uh get-together uh for the

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the red moon and i have never seen

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the rest of the world what i saw last

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night was simply incredible

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bright red with the shadow moving across

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it is and i just started live streaming

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again it was so exciting to see now

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here's the deal this is the crazy thing

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um and lining up everything for this

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week uh just excited and and just in a

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great mood you can follow me on twitter

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at jchurchradio

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uh simple enough to do the sandbox is

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hashtag f2b on twitter

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and that of course is always live it's

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right in front of me right here

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and uh so a hashtag f2b is the sandbox

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and uh i'll follow along in the chats

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and everything else like i do every

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night live during the show

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and any questions or comments hashtag

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i've got lots to go through tonight in

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uh and certainly tomorrow

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is a big day tomorrow's two hour

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uh you need to check it because now it

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addition to c-span you can also watch it

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or at the u.s house intelligence

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all right now if you have difficulties

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we'll get it up in social media uh

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to greet you in the morning to make sure

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you don't miss anything

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all right now ukraine

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ukraine has won

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2022. and the victory that was

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for the politics of music their entry

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as much on sympathy as it was on merit

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that's just fine

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and with russia banned this year

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ukraine's entry was going to win the

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2022 grand finale no matter what as

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though the professional juries mostly

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backed by other countries the popular

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giving it the win

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all right now mcdonald's this is crazy

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mcdonald's is

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closing its doors in russia now we

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already heard the news about this but

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today it went a step further remember

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the crazy when mcdonald's opened on red

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square in moscow you remember that the

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well those days are officially over

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the chicago burger giant confirmed today

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that it is selling all of its 850

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restaurants in russia

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mcdonald said it will seek a buyer who

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will employ its 62 000 workers and will

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continue to pay those workers

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until the deal closes

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incredible

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are you ready this was the headline

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man says that he has been abducted by

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aliens

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60 times and forced to fight in their

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army that was the headline

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now the deep diving of the article

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reveals that russ kellett

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claims he has been abducted by aliens no

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less than 60 times and says that he has

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been fighting for a race of 15 foot tall

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since he was 28 years old

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that's right and yes

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russ is quoted here and i quote

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for the past 30 years i have been part

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of their army fighting the opposing race

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of aliens

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the dragos which are tall and scaly and

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they have heads like dragons

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russ also described a room covered in

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checks

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like a chessboard

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as the place where he goes whenever he

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is abducted

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that's right he said that he and his

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alien comrades use a glass ball located

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in the middle of this room which can

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transport them through space and time

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isn't that special mr kellett thinks

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that

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he now has chronic fatigue syndrome

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and post-traumatic stress disorder from

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his time involved in the space wars

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that's right

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on top of this

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mr kellett suspects that his memory has

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been wiped by aliens who do not want him

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to remember fighting for them

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which may affect his application for

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disability

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and early retirement

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i'm just going to leave that right there

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a massive military parade in north korea

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has now been identified as the covet 19

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super spreader event

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after several servicemen who marched in

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it tested positive for the virus

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held on april 25th to commemorate the

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operation that started 90 years ago and

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grew into the country's military the

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parade brought together 20 000 soldiers

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at the time

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north korea was still claiming that it

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was 100 percent

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virus free

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well

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this week pyongyang finally confirmed

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that covid is spreading across the

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country

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their leader kim fatty fat

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has since declared that their super cool

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maximum emergency epidemic prevention

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system is in effect

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that's his words

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not mine

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let's get this show cracking on this day

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in history otd

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[Music]

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1717

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satirical writer voltaire

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is imprisoned in the bastille

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for the next year

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just because

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he was a great writer

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here's your fader fact today

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all right i love my fader facts

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i wonder if

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john michael knows about this

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in nepal

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there is a type of honey

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made made by bees

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called

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mad honey

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it has a reddish color

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and a slightly bitter taste

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and

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it's hallucinogenic

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that's right

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a small jar

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will set you back

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mad honey

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and that

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is your fader fact tonight we welcome

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very special guest john michael gautier

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he is an author and of course the host

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of the event horizon it's going to be a

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great conversation

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one that

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i tried to start

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like four years ago

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we finally got it done

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tonight john michael's with us tomorrow

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night jay widener is here we are going

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for a full evening of the esoteric and

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what i would suggest because i think

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you're using that word the wrong way

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what is the definition of esoteric look

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it up and that's what we are doing

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tomorrow night wednesday night randall

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nichols nickerson is here we're going to

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be discussing his new film that he

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directed it's called ariel phenomenon um

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i've watched the film now three times

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and it's amazing

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and uh it is about those school children

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in africa

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it's an incredible film uh the world

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premiere is on may 20th and then

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thursday's another fader night

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with open lines all night long now you

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know what time it is time for me to hit

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this

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river moon coffee

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of these days

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rivermoonwellness.com links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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they're down below go get yourself the

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best coffee in the world one of these

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days i'm going to shoot a video

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i'm going to shoot a video of the

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process that i go through

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the ceremony of coffee

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and you will see

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the fade to black blend

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yeah

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it's the best coffee in the world all

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love my job

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i get to drink coffee and hang out with

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jean michael gautier

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all right now

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he'll be with us at the bottom of the

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hour

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um

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i gotta talk to you for a second so i

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need everybody to just

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sit down and listen listen to me

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when i'm done

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and you are

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wanting

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to send me an email

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don't

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all right but you're going to become

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some of you out there are going to be

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save it

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okay

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all right listen to me

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the united states

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has been working on new encryption

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standards

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meant to withstand the powers of

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quantum computing

436
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a new technology that will supposedly

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involve machines capable of crazy

438
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,039
mathematical calculations

439
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:45,280
that can crack current day encryption

440
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,640
algorithms

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in seconds

442
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,919
not days

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not weeks

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the national institute of technical

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standards otherwise known as

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nist

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has been holding competitions to help

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develop these new standards

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00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:08,480
their goal is to develop better more

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hack resistant public key cryptography

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00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,360
which will secure communications for

452
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,159
email and other everyday online

453
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,559
applications that millions of americans

454
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,799
use every single day

455
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,480
that's me

456
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,480
and that's you

457
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,120
the national security agency

458
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,720
the nsa

459
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,039
has also been helping out

460
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,640
that's right

461
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,120
with the development of these new

462
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,520
encryption standards

463
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,280
i'm not joking

464
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,039
i'm talking about

465
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,120
the nsa

466
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,520
now stay with me

467
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,840
the nsa

468
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,280
says

469
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:51,360
and swears

470
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,320
that that new protocols are so secure

471
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,400
that even it

472
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:00,400
the nsa

473
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,840
can't hack them

474
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,240
the nsa also says

475
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,360
that they would never

476
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,720
ever

477
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,120
put a back door in an encryption

478
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,039
standard

479
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,799
again

480
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:18,559
their words

481
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,470
rob joyce

482
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:27,919
the nsa's director of cyber security

483
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,039
says and i quote

484
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:34,159
there are no back doors

485
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,919
those candidate algorithms that nist is

486
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:40,320
running the competitions on

487
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,279
all appear strong

488
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,200
secure

489
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,200
and what we need for quantum resistance

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00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,760
we've worked against all of them

491
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,760
to make sure

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that they are solid

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00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,480
end quote

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00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,120
now rob joyce didn't take things further

495
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:04,640
he just left it at that are you buying

496
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,230
seriously

497
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:11,760
well

498
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,549
though i have to say

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that the nsa does not have

500
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,039
well

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00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,880
they don't have an amazing track record

502
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:26,960
when it comes to backdoors i'm just i'm

503
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,919
just saying that right now publicly

504
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:31,360
that's right

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00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:41,909
let's review some of the facts

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fact number one

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in 2013

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the nsa

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00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:51,919
paid 10 million dollars

510
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:55,679
and i'll repeat that in 2013

511
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,320
the nsa paid 10 million dollars to the

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00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,080
security company

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00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,320
rsa

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00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,120
in exchange for which

515
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,720
rsa implanted a compromised encryption

516
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:12,840
algorithm into its

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00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,320
products software called

518
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:18,159
dual ec

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dr bg

520
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,679
[Music]

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00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,840
this algorithm

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00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:26,000
acted as a back door

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00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:26,840
for the

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00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,320
nsa that's a fact

525
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,919
fact number

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two

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in 2014

528
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,480
the nsa had been intercepting u.s made

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00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,200
apple and other products

530
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,760
intercepting us-made hardware

531
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,559
that was being sent abroad

532
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,919
that's right it's in the mail system

533
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,279
they grab they know who it's being sent

534
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:51,840
to they took it

535
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,880
nsa operatives opened the boxes and

536
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:57,520
would implant the products with back

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00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,640
doors

538
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,520
repackage them and then send them on

539
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,240
their way when the new stuff arrived it

540
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,960
was unboxed installed fired up and

541
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,960
brought online

542
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,520
it's fact number two

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00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,440
fact number three

544
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,320
in 2015

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00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,039
networking products manufacturer

546
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,880
juniper networks

547
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,880
announced that a back door had been

548
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:25,600
discovered inside the operating system

549
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,200
that runs its firewalls

550
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,640
the nsa

551
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,640
is long suspected of having been

552
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:34,720
involved for security weaknesses that

553
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,760
allowed hackers to get inside

554
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,559
these devices

555
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,360
fact number four

556
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,400
in 2020

557
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,240
congress tried to get a straight answer

558
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,240
out of the nsa as to whether it was

559
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,360
still planting back doors in u.s made

560
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,279
hardware and software those apple

561
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:57,360
products i was just talking about

562
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:01,039
the nsa staffer and neuberger said and i

563
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,080
quote

564
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,640
we don't share specific processes and

565
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,720
procedures

566
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,159
hmm

567
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:09,840
that's right

568
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,440
she didn't say no

569
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:16,400
fact number five

570
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,360
in february of this year few months ago

571
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,320
a back door affecting most linux

572
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,919
distributions

573
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,760
had been discovered

574
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:29,760
the back door dubbed

575
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:32,880
bvp 47

576
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,720
was linked to the equation group

577
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,679
one of the hacking groups inside

578
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,399
of the nsa

579
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,630
being able to encrypt your stuff today

580
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,720
seems pretty normal and it's also pretty

581
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,000
easy to do

582
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,799
but the downside to this which is always

583
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,360
something that i've thought about

584
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,600
is that if i can do it

585
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anybody can

586
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which includes the criminals and

587
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terrorists of the world

588
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my email and text about ufos and great

589
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,360
italian food are my own

590
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and the only people i want reading them

591
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,440
are me

592
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and the person that i've sent it to

593
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that's it

594
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,679
i expect a certain amount of privacy and

595
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:24,799
today

596
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:27,039
you have to take things to another level

597
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:28,480
to get it

598
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,480
it's the world we live in

599
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,919
but

600
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,840
and this is where things get a little

601
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,279
murky

602
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,640
but

603
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,039
if someone or some group out there is

604
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,760
planning something bad

605
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,559
i guess i would expect the nsa to be

606
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,240
able to intercept and read these

607
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:51,039
communications right

608
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,080
so

609
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,720
where do we draw the line

610
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,679
or can we

611
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:00,000
the response from the nsa about all of

612
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,880
this

613
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,520
should have been an honest one

614
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,520
you know something like you know of

615
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,640
course the nsa can crack encryptions

616
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,159
all of them

617
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,640
and we do install hardware and software

618
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,399
when it's needed

619
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,559
we will stay one step ahead of the bad

620
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:19,039
guys we're not interested in spying on

621
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,240
citizens

622
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,880
we don't have time to do that but

623
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:25,440
if we are focused on a person or group

624
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,600
we have the tools to keep people safe

625
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,360
that's what the nsa would should have

626
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,559
said

627
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,039
and that's okay

628
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,200
listen nsa

629
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,399
don't tell us you don't do it

630
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,360
i mean any saint person would expect you

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00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:44,640
to do it

632
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,720
alternative

633
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,039
isn't a good one

634
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,559
i know that there will be someone out

635
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,360
there who's gonna say jimmy slow down

636
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,559
how can you support the nsa spying on us

637
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,520
well

638
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:02,159
i don't support that

639
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,760
but

640
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,320
anyone who tries to say this kind of

641
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,039
dribble will be the first one to yell

642
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,840
you know when some groups does something

643
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,960
nasty

644
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,399
and they'll be the first one to say why

645
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,240
didn't we know about this why didn't

646
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,480
anybody do anything about this how how

647
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,440
did this go unnoticed

648
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,960
right

649
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:25,360
that's a fact

650
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:28,480
you know i'm not going down the road

651
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,600
with you know terrorists have rights too

652
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:33,840
man no they don't

653
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:36,880
now i seriously doubt that the nsa gives

654
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,559
a crap about my communications or yours

655
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,159
they're not interested

656
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:44,399
about your cat videos

657
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,440
but one thing is for sure

658
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,080
i didn't build this tech world that we

659
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,120
live in and i can't change it either i

660
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,440
just have to deal with it and so does

661
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:58,559
the nsa the fbi and your local law

662
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,320
enforcement now i'd better make sure

663
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:03,519
right now

664
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:10,389
whose encryption protocol

665
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,320
is used by whatsapp facebook skype and

666
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,919
twitter

667
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:18,559
i want the same encryption

668
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,519
that the bad guys use

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00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,519
seriously

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this is fade to black i am your host

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network this is rob reiner from anvil

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and you're listening to jimmy's church

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and we're listening to jimmy church

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radio

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight

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00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,880
jean michael gautier is with us author

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and host of the event horizon

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tonight's going to be a full

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conversation we're going to cover the

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universe alien life and what may be

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visiting our beautiful blue planet

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john michael is a science fiction author

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and futurist with two novels out the

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salvagers and supermind eddie is the

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host of course of two youtube channels

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his personal one under his own name

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and that science-based talk show the

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on subjects ranging from astrophysics

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exoplanets alien life the fermi paradox

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and his content is also available as a

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podcast on spotify and apple i would

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well like to welcome for the first time

772
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,359
to fade to black the one and only john

773
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,839
michael gautier you made it

774
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,400
jimmy good to be here finally finally

775
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:41,839
we've only been talking about this for

776
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,040
years hey i got a story for you so i i

777
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,040
used the bathroom about 10 minutes ago

778
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,680
i'm in the event horizon studio here and

779
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,320
i saw one of the world's most poisonous

780
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,400
spiders a black widow

781
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,480
and i think i didn't kill him i left him

782
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,680
but um if i go down man you know you see

783
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,200
me drop off this camera you know what

784
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,560
happened

785
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,960
the other day i live in the desert right

786
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,119
i live in the mojave desert uh which is

787
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,960
not an exaggeration right i'm right in

788
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,440
the middle of it and uh and i'm walking

789
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,280
i was about two weeks ago

790
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,280
and we've got all those critters out

791
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,839
here i'm walking uh out onto the patio

792
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,240
through my sliding glass door

793
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,160
and i didn't walk through the sliding

794
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,359
glass door i opened it first but anyway

795
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,880
uh spider web went right across my face

796
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,040
and which you know kind of creeps you

797
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:32,960
out it was one string

798
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:37,200
and i look up and right man black widow

799
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,000
this

800
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,480
is right above my head

801
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,880
and uh i gotta tell you man i'm not

802
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,200
really afraid of black widows until you

803
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,119
see one like this

804
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,640
and uh

805
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,079
yeah yeah now i grabbed a broom

806
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,240
grabbed her and and took her out to the

807
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,560
yard and cast her a boot you know away

808
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,800
she went but man

809
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:01,119
the adrenaline rush

810
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,480
you've got you've got all kinds of

811
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,560
nasties running around there i i was out

812
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,800
at palm springs for an astronomy

813
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:09,440
function you know a tour basically and i

814
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,560
was one of the

815
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,760
quote-unquote celebrities and

816
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,280
man we were walking around with like

817
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,119
this eevee flashlight looking at these

818
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,079
scorpions out there and they were like

819
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,680
warning me about sidewinders and it's

820
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,000
like midnight and pitch black right in

821
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,400
the middle of joshua tree national park

822
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:29,359
and um i'm like god

823
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,839
i want to get back to

824
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,119
missouri we only have two poisonous

825
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,599
things they're every you whip out the

826
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:36,880
black light

827
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,280
and see because you can't you know it's

828
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,040
nighttime you don't know what's going on

829
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,720
out there you take out that black light

830
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,599
and you're like i'm walking through this

831
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,440
oh man

832
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,280
so yeah yeah it's

833
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,599
it's it's amazing here in the desert and

834
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,040
and the birds

835
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,920
and and the lizards and the things

836
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,240
uh they own this planet you and i are

837
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,640
just visiting you know that's that's

838
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,880
that's that's the way it is now before

839
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,800
we get started you get the first time

840
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,720
guest disclaimer i've been waiting to do

841
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,640
this with you for a number of years and

842
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,800
the disclaimer is this john it's just

843
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,119
you and i sitting on my couch having a

844
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,800
conversation as friends and where that

845
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,640
conversation starts it starts where it

846
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,720
ends it ends but we're going to end his

847
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,599
friends

848
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,680
there you go all right

849
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,800
yeah okay

850
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,520
um now uh

851
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,400
a couple of things before

852
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,520
i do all the normal stuff which is

853
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,680
who was your crazy uncle that got you

854
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,359
started in this when you were five years

855
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,160
old we'll get to that question i promise

856
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:39,920
um but

857
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,280
i do want to point out to everybody

858
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:45,920
that as you know john i've been a huge

859
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,880
fan of isaac arthur since he got started

860
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,560
and he's been a guest on the show many

861
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,280
times and so i'm gonna i'm gonna take a

862
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,640
guess here but i'm gonna say it was

863
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:56,880
probably about four years ago

864
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,760
and i listened to you uh for the first

865
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,839
time uh with isaac

866
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:04,400
and i went i know this guy i i know this

867
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,200
guy

868
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,839
okay wait a minute here

869
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,160
i got to get him on the show so i get a

870
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,920
hold of isaac isaac's like man john's

871
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,119
cool yeah yeah he's cool i said okay i

872
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:17,119
send you an email

873
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,720
and uh and you wrote me back

874
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,440
and that was it

875
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,440
yeah but it fell through the it fell for

876
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,960
the cracks but but

877
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:28,720
that's not surprising for me because i

878
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,760
get enormous as i'm sure you do enormous

879
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:33,920
amounts of email and things slip my mind

880
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,160
i've got a one track mind and i'm 46 so

881
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,079
you know wrong in years

882
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,160
i realized that right now you're

883
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,000
uncomfortable because i threw you under

884
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,839
the bus

885
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,160
but the story's got a good ending in

886
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,800
that um last week

887
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,119
um it just so happened that your name

888
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,880
was brought up on the show

889
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,720
and your producer is listening to the

890
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,040
show and you listen to the show too

891
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,480
absolutely i've been listening for years

892
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,119
jimmy yeah and i i steal all my best

893
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,880
stuff from you

894
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:07,040
steal away because i most of it i steal

895
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,920
myself

896
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:10,240
so so anyway your producer's listening

897
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,440
to the show

898
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,920
and then i get this email from you hey

899
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,880
jimmy man sorry for the delay

900
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,800
and you sent me

901
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,480
the original

902
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,880
email from four years ago

903
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,880
and it was just so funny i read through

904
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,119
that i thought man everything that i

905
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,200
thought about that egotistically he

906
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,760
doesn't have time for me you know

907
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,680
no it was just it's

908
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,920
i did not ex what happened to me

909
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,079
regarding you know the shows that i do

910
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,000
and everything like that was unexpected

911
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,839
and i was sort of

912
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:42,640
uh

913
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,480
privately i'm still in a period or was

914
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:48,000
still in a period of like imposter

915
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,200
syndrome

916
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,800
and i

917
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,280
i was also not accustomed to having so

918
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,920
much to do in other words constantly

919
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,319
people contacting me and you know even

920
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,680
advertisers and things like that i'm

921
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,280
like

922
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,040
this should be harder than it is so i i

923
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:05,359
was sort of in a uh a different position

924
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,640
the other the other problem too at the

925
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,880
time was my father died so

926
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,119
it started i had things to deal with and

927
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,640
estates and things like that so there

928
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:14,400
was just a lot of stress

929
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,280
but

930
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,040
i definitely meant to come on and i want

931
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,640
to uh i'll definitely come back it's

932
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,240
just um

933
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,640
it's just that uh yeah i had a bad

934
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:24,480
rough a little bit of a rough way there

935
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,160
well now let's let's actually uh talk

936
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,440
about things uh a little bit about the

937
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,280
event horizon

938
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,599
um and then i'm gonna get to your crazy

939
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,280
uncle okay we'll we'll get to that part

940
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:39,599
i am my own crazy uncle

941
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,480
so

942
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,520
in

943
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,880
if uh

944
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,839
this is a two-part question

945
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,160
i'm going to ask both at the same time

946
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,079
and that is

947
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,480
when you first started the event horizon

948
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,119
because it's got it's got an enormous

949
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,440
amount of respect in how much of the

950
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,520
science that you do cover and it's it's

951
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,680
so well done for sure and the production

952
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,640
value

953
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:03,520
but

954
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,720
were there subjects that you simply

955
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,800
would not go into

956
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,000
background

957
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,079
because you were worried about respect

958
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,000
right you opposed and

959
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,720
then ufos and then

960
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,680
uh

961
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,160
let's fast forward to today

962
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:23,119
are there still zones that you won't go

963
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,390
what defines it

964
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:30,800
what defined at the ufo phenomenon

965
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,839
was the stigma right

966
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,079
and i cannot not not since the us

967
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,599
government reports and the

968
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,359
investigations and barack obama coming

969
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,800
out and saying that this stuff exists

970
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,560
and i'm like i can't stay quiet anymore

971
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,240
i can't act like this doesn't exist i've

972
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,839
just spent the last six years talking

973
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,240
about astrobiology and study and if i

974
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,760
ignore this

975
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,520
it would just be stupid

976
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,720
you know

977
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,200
and i personally while i'm a skeptic

978
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,760
of an alien origin for eofos i am not a

979
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,680
skeptic against people seeing them i

980
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:02,079
think people see them i've seen stuff

981
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,599
and i uh

982
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,040
i just don't know that i can actually

983
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,440
call it alien yet and that probably not

984
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,040
for the reasons you might think because

985
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,560
i've got some pretty out there theories

986
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,680
on what

987
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,560
other options there are regarding these

988
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,319
now

989
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,319
that said i don't really i'm not one to

990
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,760
dig into the paranormal or anything

991
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,599
because i have to be well

992
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,160
well read in it and interested to do any

993
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,839
that that type of content and i'm just

994
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,520
not astrophysics

995
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,000
totally monopolizes my time

996
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,839
and so i just don't think about those

997
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,319
things um and i leave it leave those for

998
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,079
others so the only thing that really

999
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,000
defines

1000
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,240
the content on event horizon is if i'm

1001
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:42,400
comfortable that i have a knowledge base

1002
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:47,829
okay so

1003
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,440
do you find that as you

1004
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,560
interview

1005
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,319
and collect information because that's

1006
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,920
what you're doing and you know yourself

1007
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,920
personally you're on this journey

1008
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,720
and

1009
00:45:05,030 --> 00:44:59,760
the

1010
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,040
scientific community

1011
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,200
and certainly today i mean it's almost

1012
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,440
too fast the numbers are too big and

1013
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,760
we're having a hard time digesting them

1014
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,000
but as this information comes in whether

1015
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,040
it's dimensions or

1016
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,760
quantum ideas or wormholes or whatever

1017
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,680
it it may be you know certainly

1018
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,720
exoplanets um that everything keeps

1019
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,480
leading to

1020
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,319
out there

1021
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,520
and and you i understand being a skeptic

1022
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,359
but at some point

1023
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,280
even john michael godier's got to step

1024
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,920
back and go okay well holy crap

1025
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,480
this made an extraterrestrial

1026
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,599
uh origin to it well i think the i think

1027
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,319
the the beginning turning point for me

1028
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,640
and that was

1029
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,680
it was really when fravor came out

1030
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,480
and we had obviously multiple

1031
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:57,200
um pilots that were saying that they saw

1032
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,240
something

1033
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,880
and there was at least three pilots and

1034
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,640
then there was personnel on on on the

1035
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,839
ships

1036
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,800
and

1037
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,960
i was like you know that's that's that's

1038
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,280
you're dealing with the best most

1039
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,119
trained observers on earth

1040
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,440
you know an f-18 pilot

1041
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,720
and they're all saying the same thing

1042
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,640
and i'm like i can't ignore that

1043
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,480
and then all of the other stuff came out

1044
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,079
and the government really started paying

1045
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,839
attention to it i'm like

1046
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,440
you know if i keep quiet about this

1047
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,440
because i've studied the field and kept

1048
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:28,800
abreast of uh ufology for 35 years

1049
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,520
because i would be really dumb

1050
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,960
if there was an alien civilization under

1051
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,160
my nose and i'm sitting here talking

1052
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,680
about aliens and all that and i missed

1053
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,800
it i would you know i had to keep

1054
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,880
abreast of it sure but there was stuff

1055
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,560
that just didn't meet my bar you know

1056
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,680
accounts

1057
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,520
really don't do it

1058
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,880
they don't hit the bar of science they

1059
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,480
just tell you where to look

1060
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,440
um

1061
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,800
so the accounts and all that weren't

1062
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,400
quite enough to

1063
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,839
compel me but now that we've got the

1064
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,839
government saying it's got data

1065
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,760
you know presumably radar and things

1066
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,960
like that

1067
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,800
um and that they're taking it seriously

1068
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,160
and we have a you know congressional

1069
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,920
hearing tomorrow on it which who knows

1070
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,839
what that'll that'll turn out but the

1071
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,520
reality is that you just can't ignore it

1072
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,560
anymore and the people that are still

1073
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,480
hard skeptics against that i find

1074
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,440
haven't informed themselves on the topic

1075
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,200
in other words they just haven't looked

1076
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,200
into it enough because once you hit a

1077
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,200
certain level and all you listeners know

1078
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,760
that once you hit a certain level it's

1079
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,000
just like there's just too much there's

1080
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:27,520
something to it what it is i don't know

1081
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,800
the um the interesting part is when we

1082
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:33,599
uh

1083
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,400
part of this which includes you know

1084
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,400
astrophysicists and avilobe and radio

1085
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,040
telescopes and and tests and

1086
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,000
and everything else that um when

1087
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,640
the science is coming back and you have

1088
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,359
some very smart people looking at this

1089
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:55,760
data like javilo for instance

1090
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,319
where they are now

1091
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,520
uh

1092
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,599
looking at the data saying it's it's

1093
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,000
everything but terrestrial

1094
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,640
and and and to have that kind of turning

1095
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,480
point in an

1096
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,640
orthodox academia that's a really big

1097
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,160
deal isn't it

1098
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:15,040
it's huge but what it is is there was a

1099
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,079
stigma

1100
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,640
you know and i everybody watching this

1101
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,880
knows about the stigma you know where

1102
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,800
you could label the crackpot if you even

1103
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,800
mentioned ufos or whatever

1104
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,599
that's that's just bs

1105
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,119
there's nothing should be off limits

1106
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,599
don't taboo things talk about it openly

1107
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,839
and freely and this has gotten into the

1108
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,520
science and you can thank avi loeb for

1109
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,440
that because he told me

1110
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,119
um

1111
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,720
that he was going to throw himself on

1112
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:42,400
the barbed wire you know he was in the

1113
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,599
israeli army and he was going to throw

1114
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,960
himself on the barbed wire so that

1115
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,000
people could talk about these things

1116
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,160
openly and that's exactly what he did

1117
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,079
and now

1118
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,000
you look at the galileo project's

1119
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,599
affiliates and members and research team

1120
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,520
it is really impressive and includes

1121
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,000
some very high level scientists you know

1122
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:02,240
very well respected scientist

1123
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:03,440
no doubt

1124
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,040
want to

1125
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,760
uh as i look at all of this i always

1126
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,160
want to like reverse course

1127
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,079
and think about things so if we go back

1128
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:15,599
to a

1129
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:19,839
galileo galileo or copernicus tycho bray

1130
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,960
and you know these adventurous

1131
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,400
uh

1132
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,359
inquisitive people armed with

1133
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,280
homemade telescopes

1134
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,119
are out looking and if they saw

1135
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:34,400
something anomalous in space

1136
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:38,319
they aliens you know e.t alien life

1137
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,920
wouldn't pop into their head necessarily

1138
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,400
but they must have seen stuff moving

1139
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,319
around in the heavens

1140
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:49,359
and that occurred all the way through to

1141
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,319
today

1142
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,440
where now we have the ability to think

1143
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,119
uh you know because of some of the

1144
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,119
evidence out there to think of other

1145
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:58,720
things we know that there are other

1146
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,839
worlds and and exoplanets but

1147
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,760
you know not copernicus

1148
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,920
and they must have been seeing stuff

1149
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,760
throughout the years what do we do about

1150
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,559
that do we have to go back and revisit

1151
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,359
science and what these

1152
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,760
thinkers were commenting on and maybe

1153
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,680
they were seeing something else there's

1154
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,200
a famous example

1155
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,520
of columbus seeing a light

1156
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,280
and we don't have us actual journals we

1157
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,480
just have some um you know um

1158
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,040
anecdotal yeah we have

1159
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:30,559
copies you know of

1160
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,720
excerpts but he'd see a light in 1492

1161
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,640
before he uh

1162
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,240
he made landfall

1163
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,680
and

1164
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,800
that light

1165
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,319
i mean it could have been anything

1166
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,920
because you know it could have been a

1167
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,760
fire you know he was passing an island

1168
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,280
in the bahamas and there was a fire

1169
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,559
maybe that movie was that or maybe it

1170
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,559
was a ufo who knows but he didn't have

1171
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,200
the paradigm to think of those kinds of

1172
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,880
things he just saw light and as a

1173
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,440
navigator he was like i saw light

1174
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,800
now

1175
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,280
who's to say that we are

1176
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,520
not in the same boat as columbus and

1177
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,000
that this phenomenon that we're seeing

1178
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,079
is something we haven't thought of yet

1179
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,079
you know maybe we're the primitives and

1180
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,920
that there's some aspect of the universe

1181
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,640
that can create this phenomenon that we

1182
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:17,119
just simply haven't comprehended yet

1183
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:18,400
sure

1184
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,880
okay i'm gonna present something that

1185
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:24,240
goes for the paranormal as well by the

1186
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:25,359
way that's right that's right that's

1187
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,240
right

1188
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,800
so um this is something i've mentioned

1189
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,280
many times on this show

1190
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,559
so i apologize to those that have heard

1191
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,640
it before but those that haven't

1192
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,960
uh which includes you john i i don't

1193
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,280
know maybe you've heard the story but um

1194
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,400
i'm up in in washington state and i've

1195
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,760
got uh i'm hosting uh my conference i've

1196
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:49,440
got about three

1197
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,480
300 people there but outside i'm taking

1198
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,559
a break and i'm sitting at a picnic

1199
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,720
table i've got about 30 friends around

1200
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:57,520
me

1201
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,480
um

1202
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,839
we're goofing around i'm sitting there

1203
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,920
with binoculars on a

1204
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,079
tripod at this picnic table and i'm

1205
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,680
looking at birds

1206
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,000
i'm literally looking at mount adams

1207
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,119
which is 14 miles away we know that

1208
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:12,800
and i'm looking at the birds i'm looking

1209
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:16,000
at the peak of mount adams when at that

1210
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,040
moment

1211
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:18,960
14 miles away

1212
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:21,599
from behind the peak of the mountain

1213
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,119
pops up this guesstimating

1214
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,680
400 foot tall

1215
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,520
beer can

1216
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,559
and it's spinning like this and there

1217
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,720
was a a

1218
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,599
a silver circle on one side you could

1219
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,000
see it rotating it's black

1220
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,160
and it's got like a thick chrome top and

1221
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,839
a thick chrome bottom

1222
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:46,400
and it's going across the canals

1223
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,359
what

1224
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,599
right and i freak out

1225
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,839
and i look again in the binoculars i'm

1226
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,160
like that is the biggest thing i've ever

1227
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,599
seen in my life

1228
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,839
and it's up you know and it's going it's

1229
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,880
in the middle of the day it's three

1230
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:00,960
o'clock in the afternoon and the sun is

1231
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,960
shining on it it's razor sharp in focus

1232
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,960
and i lose my mind

1233
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,079
and uh i'll send you the video so

1234
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:12,000
i jump up and i'm like man

1235
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,599
video video i'm losing it it's like five

1236
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,520
seconds later the whole event lasted

1237
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,520
about 10 or 15 seconds i come back to

1238
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:22,319
the binocular everybody sees it

1239
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,520
and i look at it

1240
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:26,000
with my naked eye and i could see the

1241
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,359
you know i could see it i could see it

1242
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,720
spinning and i could see the sunlight

1243
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,319
and every time that circle came around

1244
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,040
it right it would light up and uh and

1245
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,839
it's gone i go back to the binoculars

1246
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:38,800
and i take like one more i'm trying to

1247
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,920
absorb it right into my brain what i'm

1248
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:43,280
seeing and i look at it from top to

1249
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,240
bottom

1250
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,319
and i come back out to look again and

1251
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,720
somebody says it's gone

1252
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,640
it's like what i thought we were gonna

1253
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,359
see it for like an hour moving across

1254
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:55,280
the sky i said what do you mean it's

1255
00:54:02,870 --> 00:53:58,720
gone i go back to my it phased out man

1256
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,880
it phased out i go back to the it's gone

1257
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,400
it's gone

1258
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,000
now

1259
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,200
i can't say that was alien

1260
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,280
but i can tell you this

1261
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,599
that was the craziest thing and that was

1262
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:15,760
in the middle of the day this was in

1263
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,559
that night this wasn't lights in the sky

1264
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,839
this was

1265
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,839
400 feet tall

1266
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,640
14 miles away from behind the mountain

1267
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,839
and

1268
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,640
i i am left with nothing that i want to

1269
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,680
know

1270
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:32,000
what that was

1271
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:33,200
that's it

1272
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:37,920
somebody knows something that is uh uh

1273
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,720
um

1274
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,880
when when you share that with 30 other

1275
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,760
people and we all see this together they

1276
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:45,680
need those answers

1277
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,559
that wasn't our military

1278
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,680
no well we we were handicapped by the

1279
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,839
problem that and curse melon brings us

1280
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,960
up a lot

1281
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,200
in his articles that were handicapped by

1282
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:01,119
the government's unwillingness to

1283
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,720
release data because whatever you saw

1284
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,720
there's probably a radar record if it

1285
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:07,040
was uh indeed solid

1286
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,160
um

1287
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,599
but there's probably a radar record of

1288
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,680
that you know something that big

1289
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,760
you know that high if it's up as high as

1290
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:16,480
mount adams it's it's pretty high

1291
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,599
um

1292
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,240
now i can tell you now and this don't

1293
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,799
shoot the skeptic but atmospheric things

1294
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,640
the atmosphere can do weird things and

1295
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:26,319
create photo morganas and things like

1296
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:27,200
that

1297
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,040
if it was you know

1298
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,799
at that altitude above the atmosphere

1299
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,880
because you know usually this stuff is

1300
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,799
is a phenomenon of being near the

1301
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:38,000
horizon

1302
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,880
um

1303
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:40,960
so you know it wasn't a this wasn't a

1304
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,000
floating exxon oil tanker

1305
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,079
yeah well the other question is that if

1306
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,400
it was something that you didn't

1307
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,400
immediately recognize

1308
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,000
what it was because if it was an oil

1309
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,359
tanker you know out in the ocean or

1310
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,599
something you'd know that right but this

1311
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,599
you don't know so

1312
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:00,400
i can't describe it any more than what i

1313
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:03,920
just said to you it was uh 14 miles away

1314
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,160
it popped out from behind the mountain

1315
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,000
it didn't come in from the other side of

1316
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,440
the peak of the mountain i didn't see

1317
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,640
any of that

1318
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,119
uh it and i was looking for probably 10

1319
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,640
or 15 minutes there and i would have

1320
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,880
seen it come in from somewhere else it

1321
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,440
just came in but

1322
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,040
this

1323
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,440
no wings you know nothing you know

1324
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:25,599
nothing that would

1325
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:28,720
it it was crazy so now when

1326
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,079
when i see something like that um and

1327
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,319
and i hear others say

1328
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:36,960
it's your imagination or it's there's

1329
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,240
you it wasn't there or was it no no no

1330
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,559
no no you're not going to change

1331
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,480
anything about what happened but you

1332
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,160
can't tell me that there's nothing going

1333
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:49,359
on did everyone did everyone present

1334
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,720
describe exactly the same object okay uh

1335
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,079
you know what

1336
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:55,760
check this out

1337
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:01,839
this is the video

1338
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,920
um i'm just gonna play the audio and uh

1339
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:07,680
let me

1340
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,950
yeah you gotta love live radio right

1341
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,670
you gotta love live radio

1342
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:27,440
and

1343
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,640
you know

1344
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,839
yeah i wasn't expecting uh to play this

1345
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,440
um

1346
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,640
well the reason i asked was that

1347
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,480
sometimes there's some theories floating

1348
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:41,920
around about people that

1349
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,960
that okay here it is tell me somebody

1350
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:46,880
took a picture

1351
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,920
i swear to god i will shoot everybody

1352
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:51,760
here

1353
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:57,310
give us a position man

1354
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,270
no the ufo wasn't a bird no that was

1355
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,760
shimmering that was snowing

1356
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,640
it was it was a ball it was huge

1357
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,119
okay who shot it

1358
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,640
so uh that voice there that you hear in

1359
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:17,040
the background that's steve morillo

1360
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,559
and you probably know steve um but

1361
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:22,960
fighter pilot uh for the marines uh

1362
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,920
united states naval academy graduate he

1363
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:27,920
was sitting next to me that was his

1364
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,799
comment it was it was it was shimmering

1365
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:33,119
it was round it was shimmering

1366
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,559
and uh

1367
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,400
and that's it so

1368
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,799
that's i don't have

1369
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,119
i've got pictures but i don't have video

1370
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,880
everybody missed it it only lasted for

1371
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,400
15 seconds

1372
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:46,160
and uh and you can hear steve say it

1373
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,599
just disappeared

1374
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,200
you know and

1375
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,680
that everybody saw the same thing

1376
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,480
and it just phased out and it's forever

1377
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,040
gone you know we

1378
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,359
we were looking up in the sky

1379
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,520
for the next two days at everything but

1380
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,680
uh no it never came back

1381
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,720
well you know you can ask a question and

1382
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,880
within neuroscience

1383
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:10,880
is that what would happen

1384
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,319
if a human saw something that their

1385
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,480
brain could not interpret and had to

1386
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,520
invent something and this is based on

1387
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,240
the idea that that you know we actually

1388
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,760
given the amount of sensory input that

1389
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,280
we have in our eyes

1390
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,960
about color

1391
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:29,040
most of what we see as colors our brain

1392
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,079
painting it

1393
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,920
you know it's the brain getting just a

1394
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,359
few data points and reconstructing it

1395
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:35,040
and that's how we see color

1396
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,799
so what if you saw something like a

1397
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:39,280
tesseract or something like that that is

1398
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,319
in more dimensions than than just our

1399
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,920
three dimensions

1400
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,400
how would the brain interpret it it

1401
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,319
wouldn't it would be confused it'd be

1402
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,319
confused so it'll make something up

1403
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,920
and its brains are very good at that and

1404
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:54,079
that's why i sometimes wonder i mean

1405
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:54,960
you know

1406
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:57,520
string theory predicts ten dimensions of

1407
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,880
space one dimension of time so if there

1408
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:03,839
are indeed further other dimensions and

1409
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,910
you know from this level

1410
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,400
what would you interpret it as you know

1411
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,359
and what would your brain uh paint in

1412
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,319
on the other hand um

1413
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:20,000
you know you could you could

1414
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,520
come up with all kinds of ideas but

1415
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,119
what you really have to do and this is

1416
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,960
what loeb's gonna do is collect data on

1417
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:29,280
these on things like this you know

1418
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,880
because like i said well you know i've

1419
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,040
even seen something weird i saw

1420
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,119
a bizarre red light

1421
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,480
in the sky

1422
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,240
and you know i've spent thousands and

1423
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,680
thousands of hours underneath the night

1424
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,839
sky as an amateur astronomer and i

1425
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,680
looked at it and i thought that's a

1426
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,240
drone you know thinking it was an led on

1427
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,480
a on somebody's dji drone or something

1428
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:49,680
like that

1429
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,589
and i'm like wait a minute now i have

1430
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:57,359
two lights and they're they're very

1431
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,160
separate and i'm thinking can two drones

1432
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,480
ascend can i i mean do they make drones

1433
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,319
that like separate and you know do those

1434
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,480
things and i'm thinking about it

1435
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:08,079
and

1436
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:09,920
then it just shot up straight up in the

1437
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,640
air and went very high and it was above

1438
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,040
the cloud ceiling which i checked the

1439
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,640
cloud ceiling which was 30 000 feet

1440
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,480
drones can't go that high and then a

1441
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:19,920
shot off to the east

1442
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,839
um after descending again

1443
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,359
well the one thing

1444
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,559
throughout it

1445
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,640
was that i was like this is really

1446
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:31,040
acting irrationally and crazy you know

1447
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,400
in its movements

1448
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,319
i don't think an alien would do that you

1449
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,160
know i think they would you know the

1450
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:38,240
shortest distance between two points is

1451
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,760
a straight line you know so why would

1452
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:41,119
you erratically

1453
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,559
go crazy

1454
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:44,000
so not knowing any kind of purpose i was

1455
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,359
like this doesn't strike me as an alien

1456
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,000
spacecraft but i don't know what this is

1457
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,599
and um

1458
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:51,280
it's perplexed me ever since and i

1459
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,920
looked i i look every night you know

1460
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,920
to see if it ever comes back and if it's

1461
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:57,599
you know or i misinterpreted something

1462
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,319
but i was stone cold sober you know

1463
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:02,960
and um i've never seen it again

1464
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:03,920
but

1465
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,599
what i can't tell you is is there some

1466
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,760
phenomenon in the atmosphere that it's

1467
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,920
capable of that's rare

1468
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:13,760
that can do that like a plasma or

1469
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:15,280
something like that and that's the

1470
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,160
question that plagued ivy lobes uh

1471
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:19,839
predecessors the head of the department

1472
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:22,640
of astronomy at harvard donald menzel

1473
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:25,920
menzel thought you know these are all

1474
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,880
natural phenomenon but it plagued him

1475
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,559
that maybe there's something about the

1476
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,559
atmosphere that we don't know

1477
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,319
and that's another thing that what will

1478
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,240
happen with the galileo project is if

1479
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,119
there are weird atmospheric phenomenon

1480
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:40,799
because remember once ball lightning was

1481
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:42,079
once condemned by the scientific

1482
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,079
communities sure thing well it obviously

1483
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,559
exists yes that's within our lifetime

1484
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,920
you know i remember in the 90s that

1485
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:50,079
there was still denial on that yeah

1486
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,760
there's still an island no no

1487
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,440
photographic evidence it was never

1488
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,440
caught on film i need to take a break

1489
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:57,440
right here john so stay right there this

1490
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,160
is fade to black i am your host jimmy

1491
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,400
church tonight the one and only

1492
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,079
john michael gautier

1493
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:06,559
the event horizon

1494
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,000
it's going to be a great conversation

1495
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,000
stay right there this is fade to black

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on the game changer and on x networks

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i'm your host jimmy church

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01:03:17,780 --> 01:03:15,520
be right back after this short break

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01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:17,790
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or maybe you're a collector just like me

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you're listening to this you have an

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church on fade to black

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01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,709
all right welcome back i am your chippy

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01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:25,440
church tonight john michael gautier host

1603
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,279
of the event horizon is with us

1604
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:31,359
so funny to hear serena's voice i was

1605
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,560
with her yesterday uh over at caroline

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01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,679
cory's thing

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she's the best

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she's the absolute very best tonight is

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john michael gautier and and now john

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01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,960
um staying on this um

1611
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:48,159
uh

1612
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:51,440
what people may or may not be seeing

1613
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,400
um

1614
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,120
i would if i was going if i was a

1615
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,839
betting man i would take the safe bet i

1616
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,719
would i would cover red black and green

1617
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,560
at the roulette table right okay that's

1618
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:03,679
what i would do

1619
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,799
in that

1620
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,199
it's got to be

1621
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:10,239
a mix of everything it could be us it

1622
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,839
could be military it could be time

1623
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,480
travelers us from the future it could be

1624
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,159
extraterrestrial and it could be

1625
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,319
hallucinations right it could be

1626
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,400
atmospheric phenomena

1627
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,759
it could be a mix of all of those things

1628
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,600
we just don't know do we

1629
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:26,799
well that's what the government thinks

1630
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:29,199
they think it's a mixed bag and i do too

1631
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,719
i think there's going to be multiple

1632
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:32,319
explanations

1633
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,359
but

1634
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,120
the uh

1635
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,600
the alien hypothesis is obviously the

1636
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:38,960
most interesting one you know if there's

1637
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,679
an alien civilization here that's

1638
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,080
the worst possible thing that could ever

1639
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:47,040
befall humanity why

1640
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,839
because anything that is more advanced

1641
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,839
than you technologically

1642
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:53,359
controls you

1643
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,080
and it would mean that the

1644
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,000
the solution of the fermi paradox is the

1645
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,400
worst one it's the zoo hypothesis

1646
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,560
whether the intent of the alien is good

1647
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,199
or bad doesn't matter just but it's here

1648
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,440
and it's more advanced than we are that

1649
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,960
means it calls the shots and we are uh

1650
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:12,239
you know

1651
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:15,440
we are pawns in a hs game at that point

1652
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,000
and that's no matter what no matter what

1653
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,679
just that it just the idea that it's

1654
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,360
more advanced than you are

1655
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,520
means that it whether it loves you to

1656
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:26,239
death or hates you to death

1657
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,880
the end is the same it is in control

1658
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:31,679
but why would

1659
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,640
why would they care

1660
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,320
in that

1661
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:40,630
why

1662
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:43,520
what would the interest be

1663
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,440
if they are so advanced than us

1664
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,840
why would they be interested in us and

1665
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:51,440
especially

1666
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,480
since there are another 40 or 50 billion

1667
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,640
planets out there to go and check out

1668
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,080
you're only going to spend a limited

1669
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,159
time here you've got other stuff

1670
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:02,560
and other civilizations

1671
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:05,760
to go and check out on other planets why

1672
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,000
stop here and

1673
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:10,000
and think about controlling us or doing

1674
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:11,360
anything else

1675
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,800
because that would just take up their

1676
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,360
time why why would they

1677
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:17,040
be interested i can think of two

1678
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,640
scenarios off the top of my head the

1679
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,520
first is that they're scientists and

1680
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,360
they're interested in any life as we

1681
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,520
would i mean if you if we found we spend

1682
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,360
a lot of time looking for alien life on

1683
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:29,679
planets you know in city right

1684
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,560
and we every night literally you know

1685
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,239
that the allen telescope array is

1686
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:36,159
looking and searching for radio signals

1687
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,360
and things like that

1688
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,760
they may be interested in all life as

1689
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,360
scientists they might be interested in

1690
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:44,000
any occurrence of it and so they monitor

1691
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,520
it that's one reason and that's a good

1692
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,360
reason you know they just want to know

1693
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:49,280
what we're doing of course

1694
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,719
and that that could lead to really neat

1695
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,400
scenarios i mean what if they've been

1696
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,280
here for millions of years and suddenly

1697
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:58,239
they come out of from undercover and say

1698
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,360
here's a bunch of video footage in 4k of

1699
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,440
a dinosaur you know or something like

1700
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:05,120
that here's the entire natural history

1701
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:07,120
of your planet as a gift you know

1702
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,400
something like that

1703
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,000
now the other

1704
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,320
option is a little bit more dark

1705
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,239
actually it's a lot more dark in that

1706
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,640
there lies a technology in the future of

1707
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,719
all alien civilizations that poses a

1708
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,199
threat to the entire galaxy

1709
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:24,080
can you cannot allow anyone to develop

1710
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,440
it and it could be something like

1711
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:27,760
generalized artificial intelligence

1712
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:29,679
that could escape and start attacking

1713
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,960
alien civilizations for survival or um

1714
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:34,239
something that can

1715
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,159
mess the universe up you know send it to

1716
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,679
its lowest energy state and all of a

1717
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:39,360
sudden you've you've started the end of

1718
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,480
the universe

1719
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:42,640
so there are things that

1720
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,239
if they may come here to monitor us

1721
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,840
specifically to prevent us from

1722
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,760
developing certain technologies in other

1723
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,360
words do what you want nuke yourself if

1724
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:52,960
you want whatever we won't we won't mess

1725
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,239
with you but we can't let you do some

1726
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,239
certain technology

1727
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,640
in the future say 300 years and we have

1728
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:02,000
to stop you

1729
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:03,679
and that's the alien police action

1730
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,640
scenario

1731
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:06,239
where there's there they're a police

1732
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:07,120
force

1733
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,239
now there is and a lot of people

1734
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,080
you'll find the skip you know the the

1735
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:13,679
skeptical camp

1736
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,920
that say well

1737
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:18,000
there's no plausible way for an alien

1738
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,360
civilization to be here

1739
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,199
the distances are too great and then

1740
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,800
time the amount of time you need to

1741
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:25,040
cross space time is too much but that's

1742
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:26,960
that's actually a misguided approach

1743
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:29,120
because there is a plausible way and

1744
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,080
this is the the crux the basis of the

1745
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,640
fermi paradox fermi said look galaxy is

1746
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:36,159
well old enough to have spawned

1747
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,679
civilizations you know before us and at

1748
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,360
sublight speeds

1749
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,679
physics does not uh stop you from

1750
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,520
colonizing the entire galaxy over the

1751
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,440
term of two or three million years you

1752
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:49,120
know right like that

1753
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:50,800
so where are they

1754
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,199
they should be here

1755
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,120
and

1756
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,360
you know but he didn't didn't see any

1757
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,800
compelling evidence that they were so

1758
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:00,560
it's the great silence

1759
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:01,840
but maybe we just didn't know how to

1760
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,480
look you know and uh maybe we just

1761
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,320
stigmatized something that we should

1762
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:07,920
have took a closer look at and that's

1763
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,679
what i'm hoping that avi love in the

1764
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:11,760
galileo project can remedy and take a

1765
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,840
real look you know from the bar of

1766
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:15,760
science and see what it you know what

1767
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:18,080
this is identify the unidentified we've

1768
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:19,199
all been sitting here talking about it

1769
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,600
for 70 years wondering

1770
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,520
right you think it's about time to

1771
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:26,000
take a look um

1772
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:28,159
but yeah i the plausible way though that

1773
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:29,679
an alien civilization could be here is a

1774
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,600
von neumann probe that's printing out

1775
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,600
probes it's been here for however many

1776
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:35,520
millions of years and it's a robot and

1777
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:37,840
it doesn't care about time and it can

1778
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,640
cross space at whatever speed it wants

1779
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:42,480
it comes here prints out probes and they

1780
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,840
dip in the atmosphere and somebody sees

1781
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:46,000
them and there's your plausible fully

1782
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:47,679
scientific way

1783
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:51,679
for a uh a uap to be of alien origin and

1784
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:54,400
that's certainly uh closure to the fermi

1785
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:57,920
paradox like immediately but here okay

1786
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:00,960
but immediately yeah yeah immediately so

1787
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,880
now here is uh another scenario that i i

1788
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:07,199
really enjoy this part of it

1789
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:10,640
in that in our lifetime and i'm just

1790
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:14,159
speaking about you and i in our lifetime

1791
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:15,199
the

1792
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:18,960
crazy developments that have happened

1793
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,239
like um

1794
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,440
i'm not even sure you must be aware of

1795
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,320
this uh last week

1796
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,280
we photographed the black hole in the in

1797
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:31,440
the center of our milky way

1798
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:35,280
are you aware of the telescope that

1799
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,630
are you ready

1800
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,880
for it slipped my mind i know it but

1801
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,520
it's the event horizon telescope right

1802
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:49,679
yeah event horizon telescope and it's uh

1803
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:52,960
it's it is my uh

1804
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,920
46 year old brain you know um

1805
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,920
but but here's here's the question

1806
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:59,040
though

1807
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,840
so

1808
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:02,159
just in our lifetime

1809
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:04,840
um we have gone

1810
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,840
from no planets

1811
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,480
right outside of our solar system

1812
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:12,640
to today

1813
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:15,040
ginormous numbers and even the numbers

1814
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:16,719
that are presented to us about

1815
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,280
exoplanets you know 5 000 in the catalog

1816
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,360
another six thousand waiting to be

1817
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,600
verified and added to the catalog with

1818
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,280
another ten thousand that are being

1819
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,840
observed and tess is is racking up

1820
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,440
thousands every single day and they're

1821
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,520
monitoring now we've got the james webb

1822
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,080
and and over the next couple of years

1823
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,159
these numbers are going to exponentially

1824
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,880
just pile on top of each other and it's

1825
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,800
going to be a crazy amount of exoplanets

1826
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:42,400
we have that and then we have the flip

1827
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:43,280
side

1828
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,040
which is that every single star

1829
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:48,960
every single star

1830
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:52,400
period has at least one planet and if we

1831
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:54,719
have got you know a trillion stars in

1832
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:57,760
the milky way then it was so funny avi

1833
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,080
loeb uh you you speak with him all the

1834
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,120
time as do why and the last time he was

1835
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:05,920
on the show maybe two a couple of times

1836
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:08,480
ago he he corrected me

1837
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,880
and he goes no jimmy

1838
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,960
there's at least a trillion planets in

1839
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,040
the milky way uh it's worse than that

1840
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:17,760
yeah it's worse than that so oh no it's

1841
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,840
worse than that i i i did some math on

1842
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,280
something like this and elegantly okay

1843
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:23,199
well this is well save that for your

1844
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:27,199
answer so now if we have 40 to 50

1845
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,360
billion conservatively

1846
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:31,760
rocky earth-like planets with water in

1847
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,960
the goldilocks zone in our milky way

1848
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,640
obviously a certain amount of those

1849
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,640
support life how many of those have

1850
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:40,880
intelligent life that is equal to ours

1851
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,679
or more advanced we don't know but i can

1852
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:45,280
tell you this

1853
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:48,640
fermi didn't have this information fermi

1854
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:51,120
never thought about this drake never

1855
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:54,320
considered any of this and it upsets

1856
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:57,120
everything now frank's still around

1857
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,960
i know right right that's

1858
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,560
that's why you're jean

1859
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:03,040
jean michael gautier

1860
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:06,080
but on a serious note here

1861
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,000
there must be there has to be

1862
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,560
thousands if if not more

1863
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,040
civilizations that are aware of earth

1864
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:17,920
uh that have have done a drive-by or two

1865
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,080
and it's it's just a numbers game these

1866
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:21,760
days

1867
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:24,000
the numbers game regarding alien life

1868
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:25,040
and i'm going to go a little bit more

1869
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,280
general with this just to just to make

1870
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,400
the point

1871
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,470
the universe

1872
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,400
is we can only see part of it it's the

1873
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,560
observable universe right

1874
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:38,159
and it's a bubble that we can see

1875
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,840
everything else is too far away because

1876
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:41,360
the expansion of space time prevents its

1877
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,640
life from getting to us so we don't even

1878
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,880
know how big the universe is and what we

1879
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,040
do know now recently is that its

1880
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,560
geometry is flat

1881
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,880
and that could suggest in one of three

1882
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,719
models it could suggest that the

1883
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,360
universe is infinite all right

1884
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,600
in an infinite universe it isn't it is

1885
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,000
impossible for us to be alone

1886
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,320
because infinity implies that there

1887
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,320
would be copies of earth

1888
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,080
an infinite number of them it's a

1889
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:08,560
numbers game it's it's part

1890
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:09,440
but it's

1891
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,159
only combined so many times

1892
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:14,239
and if you go if you just go down to the

1893
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,360
observable universe right

1894
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:18,880
habitable stars

1895
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:22,159
make up the vast majority of stars in

1896
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,520
other words upwards of 93 percent

1897
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:28,159
are red dwarfs orange dwarfs type k and

1898
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,960
then

1899
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:31,120
type g type stars like our sun

1900
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:33,520
and then you could also throw in type f

1901
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,840
marginally so

1902
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:37,679
90 something percent of of stars are

1903
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,400
habitable this means that your chances

1904
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:43,440
our chances of being alone

1905
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:46,159
if you just go by habitability of of

1906
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,920
types of stars

1907
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:49,520
is one

1908
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:53,840
in 240 sextillion yes we cannot possibly

1909
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,950
and mostly some of it it's literally

1910
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,880
some of the worst odds possible in the

1911
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:02,480
universe yeah

1912
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:06,719
yeah and that number most people don't

1913
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:10,159
the these numbers are so big today

1914
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:13,360
when you suggest that which is

1915
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:16,239
uh a one followed by

1916
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:17,679
what is that that's

1917
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:19,120
80

1918
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:21,440
88 zeros

1919
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,320
yeah

1920
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:24,320
right right

1921
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:25,520
yeah that's

1922
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,159
that's his name it's impossible even

1923
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:30,320
within what we can see for us to be

1924
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:34,320
alone because we would be look jimmy

1925
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:35,679
think about it

1926
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:38,000
if we were alone

1927
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:39,520
this planet

1928
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,840
being the only inhabited planet with an

1929
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:43,920
intelligence on it is like the island

1930
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:47,040
from lost in this scenario it's where

1931
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:48,800
magical chemistry and weird things

1932
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:50,239
happen that don't happen anywhere else

1933
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:51,440
in the universe

1934
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,360
yeah and the copernican principle is

1935
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,040
immediately wrong

1936
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,440
and science especially astronomy relies

1937
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:59,360
on the copernican principle which means

1938
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:01,600
that we don't occupy any special place

1939
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,800
in the universe therefore our

1940
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:04,800
observations of it

1941
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,440
can't be skewed we're not special but if

1942
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:10,159
we're alone we are in the most special

1943
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,120
spot

1944
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:13,280
in the entire universe where the

1945
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:14,560
universe

1946
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:17,600
consciously perceives itself

1947
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,600
that's that's a that's way worse than

1948
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:22,000
aliens you know that's way worse of a

1949
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:24,560
proposition than aliens than uh you know

1950
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:25,840
just just assuming that alien

1951
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:29,520
civilizations exist which i do now the

1952
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:32,480
the other thing that we have learned

1953
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:33,360
which

1954
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,320
this is all recent stuff this is if if

1955
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:38,560
you go before edwin hubble

1956
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,120
right we didn't know nothing i mean

1957
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,280
seriously

1958
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,199
einstein

1959
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,760
thinking uh publishing that it was a

1960
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,920
static universe right well that's where

1961
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,199
we were

1962
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,320
up until 1922 with edwin hubble so we're

1963
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:56,880
only talking about one lifetime

1964
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,880
of knowledge here where things have just

1965
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:00,800
gotten out of control and the other

1966
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:01,760
thing

1967
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:05,280
um those perfect sons that you were just

1968
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,560
referring to

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01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:08,719
we now understand

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01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:09,760
how

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01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:12,480
gravity collects the particles in the

1972
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,199
dust and dust rings and the development

1973
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:18,239
of star systems and that this is just

1974
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:21,760
the way everything is right this is how

1975
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,880
it is right our star system is not

1976
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:26,639
unique this is

1977
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,520
the rest of everything to the infinite

1978
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,400
right and that's it and we we didn't

1979
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,600
understand that 30 40 years ago

1980
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,960
there are plenty of things we still

1981
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,560
don't understand jamie we don't have a

1982
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:40,960
complete picture of physics we've got

1983
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,440
two theories right one one side we've

1984
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,199
got

1985
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,239
okay

1986
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:50,239
and on the other side we've got quantum

1987
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:51,600
mechanics

1988
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,480
and the two do not meet

1989
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,159
in other words general relativity breaks

1990
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,320
down at a certain level

1991
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:00,400
and inside a black hole and quantum

1992
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:03,040
mechanics sort of

1993
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:04,320
fairs a little bit better but the

1994
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,760
problem is is that general relativity

1995
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,600
absolutely describes how the universe

1996
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:11,840
works on a large scale and quantum

1997
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,080
mechanics uh absolutely describes how

1998
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,239
the universe works on on the uh below

1999
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:18,480
the atom on the tiny

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01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:19,360
so

2001
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,560
but they don't there there's like a

2002
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,639
missing puzzle piece an entire area of

2003
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:25,040
physics that we know nothing about yet

2004
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,840
that

2005
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,120
we cannot

2006
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:29,120
we don't have a unified theory of

2007
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,199
everything you know

2008
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:33,520
what lies in that that we don't know you

2009
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:36,639
know what what uses could these unknown

2010
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:39,280
aspects of the universe be to us i mean

2011
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:40,159
could it

2012
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,800
drastically change um how we do

2013
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:45,040
technology for example if we find new

2014
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,639
physics that's useful to us you know um

2015
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,760
just like

2016
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,679
the computers we're using right now to

2017
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,199
do this

2018
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,679
components of them operate on quantum

2019
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,400
theory you know they make use of it

2020
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:59,760
and

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01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,600
what's in physics that we haven't

2022
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,360
discovered yet that could be useful to

2023
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:05,199
us and again

2024
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:07,280
that gives you

2025
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,480
an option

2026
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:10,239
you know maybe aliens half faster than

2027
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:11,600
light travel or something like that the

2028
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,960
thing is we just don't know enough about

2029
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,400
it to say you know their unicorn

2030
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:16,960
technologies to us but

2031
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:18,800
maybe there's things hidden there that

2032
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:21,280
an alien can make use of to get here

2033
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:22,639
um

2034
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,840
but we don't know you know well however

2035
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,960
um

2036
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,040
there's only one there isn't two ways to

2037
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,679
look at this there's only one

2038
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:33,360
how an

2039
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:34,719
etc

2040
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:36,880
more advanced than us

2041
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,080
is getting around this galaxy other

2042
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:42,560
galaxies and certainly uh throughout the

2043
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,840
universe

2044
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,760
is easy

2045
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:47,840
it's not hard

2046
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,600
for them it's easy

2047
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,840
we are trying to look at it with our

2048
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:54,239
basic knowledge that we have right now

2049
01:24:58,510 --> 01:24:57,120
and we simply don't understand it well

2050
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,520
we also make a mistake of

2051
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,480
anthropomorphizing it for example people

2052
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,960
will often make the argument that aliens

2053
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,440
would never put the time into crossing

2054
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,440
space because you got to spend a

2055
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:09,840
thousand years and you know to get here

2056
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,639
right

2057
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,400
who's to say an alien cares about the

2058
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:14,719
passage of time a machine doesn't you

2059
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,679
know certainly uh but what if an alien

2060
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,040
lives a hundred thousand years well the

2061
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,199
trip ain't so long then

2062
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,159
yeah and again and that's looking at it

2063
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:26,800
with our you know our concept of

2064
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,440
knowledge and and what we understand

2065
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:31,840
if um i i said this a couple of weeks

2066
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:34,480
ago on the show but it's worth repeating

2067
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:37,679
if um you know right now

2068
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:39,679
if uh

2069
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:42,480
after the show tonight and and you're in

2070
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:43,440
bed

2071
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,149
i want a double cheeseburger

2072
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:52,800
you have the ability to get up

2073
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,080
go down get in your car drive 10 miles

2074
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,800
to a 24 hour drive through get your

2075
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:00,800
double cheeseburger come back

2076
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,760
sit in your bed watch tv

2077
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,520
and eat your double cheeseburger while

2078
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:07,199
it's still hot

2079
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,280
200 years ago

2080
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:11,920
that would have been black magic voodoo

2081
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,520
you would have been burned at the stake

2082
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,440
there would be no way that you could

2083
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:17,440
travel to the next town and be back in

2084
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,719
15 minutes

2085
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:20,560
it doesn't no

2086
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:24,320
and you do it and you can do it because

2087
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,760
it's easy it's nothing to you

2088
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,280
and that's the

2089
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,000
that's the principle behind e.t

2090
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:34,000
traveling right they just do because

2091
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:36,320
it's easy if they don't do it because

2092
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:38,159
it's hard it's simple

2093
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:39,600
they're just jumping in their car and

2094
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,520
they're going to where they want to go

2095
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:43,760
and they're that's the only way this

2096
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,639
singular way to look at all of this

2097
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,000
the uh

2098
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:50,800
the mcdonald's mcrib jimmy would have

2099
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:53,360
absolutely astounded someone from 200

2100
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:55,760
years ago and the methods by which we

2101
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,239
obtained the mcbrib would

2102
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,880
blow their minds but imagine though

2103
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,120
they would never they would never have

2104
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,920
thought that we would build

2105
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,840
the internet you know interstate highway

2106
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,080
system this this planet

2107
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:12,800
is covered in highways road systems

2108
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,679
and

2109
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,840
i don't think people 100 years ago would

2110
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,040
have ever thought we'd have done that

2111
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:19,679
that is that so out dudes does the great

2112
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:22,239
pyramids for example sure that's not

2113
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,480
even comparable to the stuff we're doing

2114
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,239
you know mega engineering like building

2115
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,560
a huge highway system that crosses all

2116
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:30,239
almost all land masses on the globe

2117
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:34,239
although even antarctica has a road um

2118
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:36,400
so the uh

2119
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,719
you don't wanna you always wanna know

2120
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:40,159
you always wanna keep in mind that you

2121
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,080
don't know everything right

2122
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,400
and that you

2123
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:46,480
science is a

2124
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,639
it's a project of revision you know it's

2125
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,920
always being revised as our

2126
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,760
understanding gets better and better and

2127
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,360
as you said earlier

2128
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:54,719
you know when i was in high school we

2129
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,040
had found no exoplanets yet you know i

2130
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,960
graduated in 94 and we had not found

2131
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,960
anything yet had a candidate but there

2132
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:02,159
were people that were skeptical that we

2133
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:04,000
ever would and that maybe the solar

2134
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:06,880
system is unique in some way you know

2135
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,520
obviously it isn't um there

2136
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:11,600
are beyond

2137
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:14,719
trillions of exoplanets out there uh but

2138
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,560
the the thing is that again we may be in

2139
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,239
a different paradigm

2140
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,400
and that might change and we might think

2141
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,560
about things differently that currently

2142
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:23,840
uh

2143
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:25,760
currently people don't don't really buy

2144
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:27,679
you know um

2145
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:29,120
but we don't know and you always have to

2146
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:31,440
admit that we don't know

2147
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,120
the the idea that we'll uh explore this

2148
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:38,159
a little bit more um after the break

2149
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:42,239
but the idea the mindset that i think we

2150
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,120
need to

2151
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,199
you know get away from so we're always

2152
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,679
thinking about something biological

2153
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:49,760
but back to your point

2154
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:53,199
ai in a robot right

2155
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:56,159
you know the go to a mindset downloaded

2156
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,199
into

2157
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,280
that that could fly for a hundred

2158
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,400
thousand years across our milky way at

2159
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:04,639
the speed of light and not worry about

2160
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:08,639
age food oxygen sleep you don't need any

2161
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,400
of those things and that would answer a

2162
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,719
lot of questions but wouldn't that

2163
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:16,560
wouldn't that scare the crap out of this

2164
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:19,040
if if something biological doesn't step

2165
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:21,040
off of a flying saucer

2166
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,080
and it's a friggin robot driven by ai

2167
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:26,639
that we would have to deal with

2168
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,400
well there's that

2169
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,159
there's a video game called mass effect

2170
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:32,320
that that explores this very well

2171
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,280
actually

2172
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,120
and i um

2173
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:37,360
i would bet money that most alien

2174
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:40,000
civilizations in the universe are

2175
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:42,080
machine civilizations

2176
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:43,360
and

2177
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:44,800
that's really a

2178
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:47,040
that's a can of worms because what

2179
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:48,800
happened to the biological civilization

2180
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,480
that spawned them you know things like

2181
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:52,880
that but being a machine civilization is

2182
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:55,280
much much much more efficient and better

2183
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:57,199
in this universe than being a biological

2184
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:58,480
one you know

2185
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,400
you only live on a planet right we're in

2186
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:02,320
this little little tiny planet a machine

2187
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,600
can go anywhere

2188
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:05,760
would you be opposed

2189
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,040
if the technology was there and you know

2190
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,000
and you got the offer right hey man

2191
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:14,560
you can literally live forever we're

2192
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,360
just

2193
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:17,760
gonna download you

2194
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:18,880
into this

2195
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,679
boston dynamics android

2196
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:24,480
do you do it nope uh i wouldn't do it

2197
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:27,600
because here's why um

2198
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:30,960
i uh i i have absolutely no idea

2199
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,960
about matters like religion and the

2200
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,320
afterlife and things like that i have no

2201
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:36,000
idea you know i'm an agnostic i don't

2202
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,719
know

2203
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:38,000
my answer to the question is i don't

2204
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,800
know

2205
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,080
but

2206
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:42,320
i'd like to find out so i'm okay with

2207
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:48,470
let's take our break that's the best

2208
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:49,520
answer

2209
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,520
that i've heard in a long time on this

2210
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,840
program stay right there this is fade to

2211
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,199
black our guest tonight john michael

2212
01:31:01,830 --> 01:30:58,159
gautier the event horizon

2213
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,840
all of the links for jamaica are over on

2214
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,360
our website

2215
01:31:12,540 --> 01:31:05,120
and in social media we'll be right back

2216
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:23,750
[Music]

2217
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:26,880
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2218
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:33,830
you're listening to jemmy church and

2219
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:35,360
fade to black

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01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:41,460
[Applause]

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01:32:00,149 --> 01:31:55,669
this is jimmy church of fade to black

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01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,159
and this year june 18th 2022

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01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:02,880
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01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:19,600
hosting the event again this year with

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music performances by

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trevor hall the desert dwellers poor on

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key and many many more on four separate

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight john michael

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01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:59,119
gautier is with us tomorrow night jay

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widener is here

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a night of the esoteric and then

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randall nickerson uh the director of the

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film that is going to do its world

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premiere on may 20th uh ariel phenomenon

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01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:16,800
uh tonight it is jean michael gautier

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01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:19,760
and now um

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01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,400
actually this is a a

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01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,480
a strange way this is

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01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,320
we're picking up from where we just left

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01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:28,719
off because before the break i asked you

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01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:31,600
if you would you know download

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01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:33,920
you know yourself into an android

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01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:37,280
and this is where um

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01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,119
getting back into the quantum

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01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:41,199
this is where consciousness comes into

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01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:42,239
play

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01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,560
and and i've i've heard you do shows

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01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:46,320
about this and they're just fascinating

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01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,800
and i'm excited to finally ask you some

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01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,400
questions for myself

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01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,400
in that um

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01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:54,400
why is it

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01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:55,440
that

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01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:58,080
physicists and science in general is so

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01:37:02,790 --> 01:36:59,520
afraid to

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01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,800
uh discuss consciousness um that's the

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01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:04,000
first part of the question but the

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01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,920
second one is if you did download

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01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:09,280
your

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01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,400
head

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01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:12,800
onto a chip

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01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:15,760
do you go with it your memories could i

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01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:17,360
understand that it's ones and zeros

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01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:19,600
right and that's electricity stored in

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01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:22,159
the brain makes okay all right i can i

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01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,800
can digest that but does your soul right

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01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:28,880
does your consciousness

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01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,560
go along with it and would you be aware

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01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:35,360
the third part to this question is

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01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:38,000
um at what point do you shut yourself

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01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:38,880
off

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01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,600
right the the consciousness you and your

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01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:43,920
body if you're now downloaded into an

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01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:47,520
android are you aware of two of you

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01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:50,320
at the same time and are you sharing

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01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:51,199
things

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01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:52,239
so

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01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,880
let's let's wade our way through this

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01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:56,000
why

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01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,480
to discuss consciousness

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01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,400
well the academics uh it depends on the

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01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,080
academic of course but most of them

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01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:05,760
don't want to get into it because it's

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01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:08,400
it's sort of either not their area

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01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:09,600
right

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01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,760
or they uh you know because scientists

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01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:13,360
tend to like to speak only about their

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01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:16,000
specialized field you know so they don't

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01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:17,199
they generally don't like to talk about

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01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,520
it that way but they also there's a

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01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:22,159
stigma there as well as within ufology

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01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,400
there's the stigma of you know oh you

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01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:26,800
ufo people um

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01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:28,320
there's also the conscious people and

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01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:30,159
it's because there's an unknown element

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01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:31,840
it's something we don't understand and

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01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:33,520
there's a psychological resistance to

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01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:35,199
the discussion of it

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01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,159
but

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i don't i only have a finite amount of

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time on this earth since i'm not going

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01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,320
to be an android so i think about it

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01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:44,560
openly and talk about it openly because

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01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,239
they're mysteries we haven't solved and

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01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,400
we're obviously conscious here we are

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01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:49,920
you know

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01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,800
we're thinking laughing yeah

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01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:54,480
um is it

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01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,560
it's you may have a simple answer to

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01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:58,480
this is it just because it can't be

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01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:59,679
measured

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01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,600
maybe um maybe

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01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:03,520
uh you know science in its purest form

2383
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:04,719
you have to have measurement and things

2384
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,480
like that but then but it fully admits

2385
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:08,239
there are things you can't measure

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01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:11,920
you know um measure measure measure love

2387
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:12,719
you know

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01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:17,920
i don't know anything about human you

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01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:20,000
know experience

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01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,960
so

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01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,719
my belief is that there are truths and

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01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,159
there are facts in nature but there's

2393
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,280
also an ecstatic truth a a higher

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01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:29,280
form of truth you know something like

2395
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:31,119
how much how much you love your mate or

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01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:34,000
something like that that also defines us

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01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:35,760
and that also makes me wonder if you

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01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,320
could ever get a machine to mimic that

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01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,960
it may be impossible you know and same

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01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:42,800
with consciousness true consciousness it

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01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,480
may never be possible to make a machine

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01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:46,719
that could be truly conscious in the way

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01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:47,840
we are

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01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:49,760
um now there are some scientists like

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01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:51,920
roger penrose that will just drop the

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01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,639
pretenses he's in his 90s what the heck

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01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:56,800
and speculate about it you know

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01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:58,080
and um

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01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,560
you know he's got a nobel prize what's

2410
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:02,239
what more can you do in science so you

2411
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:03,440
might as well speculate about those

2412
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,800
things or

2413
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,480
uh some scientists like ivy lobe they'd

2414
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,800
probably talk about it with you um

2415
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:10,719
because he's in about the highest

2416
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:13,040
position in astronomy as you can get you

2417
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:14,560
know peak for the peak of the career and

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01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:16,080
he gets to talk about whatever he wants

2419
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:16,880
now

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01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,760
mean harvard

2421
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:23,199
you know there's a good place to have

2422
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,679
tenure so um

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01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,119
i think that

2424
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,760
that is uh the reason now as to your

2425
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,679
other question regarding can we ever

2426
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:33,119
transfer

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01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:34,800
and become

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01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:37,920
a machine civilization and still be us

2429
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:40,080
i can think of only way one way that you

2430
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:41,920
might be able to transfer consciousness

2431
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,480
seamlessly if you wanted a robot body

2432
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,639
and that is a very very slow process of

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01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:48,080
replacing

2434
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:48,840
your

2435
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:52,320
neurons in each neuron you know

2436
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:54,960
with something artificial and doing it

2437
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:57,040
gradually and slowly over a period of

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01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,000
years

2439
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,639
to transition you from a biological

2440
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:02,480
existence to machine existence that's

2441
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:04,080
the only way i can think of because any

2442
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:06,000
other way you're not going to transfer

2443
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,920
you're making a copy you know you're not

2444
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:09,199
making you

2445
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,040
um but the one way you might be able to

2446
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:13,600
do it is a very long slow process of

2447
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:16,080
mechanization of the human body

2448
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,679
would a neuron

2449
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,920
be represented with

2450
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,239
just a simple transistor

2451
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:24,400
you know something on and off i think

2452
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,840
it's going to be a lot more complicated

2453
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:27,360
than that because neurons are a lot more

2454
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,560
complicated than that it's going to have

2455
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:29,840
to mimic

2456
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:32,880
the function of the neuron in every way

2457
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,040
and also

2458
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:36,960
you know we don't really know

2459
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:37,760
how

2460
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,520
neurons

2461
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:41,040
function on things like memory and

2462
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:42,239
experience things like we don't really

2463
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,080
know the answers to those questions

2464
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,560
neuroscience isn't that far well we

2465
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:48,080
don't even know how to do this yet you

2466
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,400
know okay stay with me then i like where

2467
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,000
you're going with this

2468
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:54,960
so let's say this process which happens

2469
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:57,040
over a couple of years i understand why

2470
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,639
it's very complex

2471
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:00,880
but you're going to have a tipping point

2472
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,119
so as you are disassembling and copying

2473
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:07,920
right and and moving over

2474
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:10,320
there's going to be a point where

2475
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:12,159
the new

2476
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:13,360
you

2477
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:16,000
becomes aware it goes from stupid

2478
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:18,880
right to and it's like 50

2479
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,719
are you then losing the real you

2480
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:24,639
is this going away

2481
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:25,760
that's

2482
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:28,239
open question jimmy we don't know until

2483
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:30,239
we do it and the thing is how ethical

2484
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:32,800
would it be to even try that you know

2485
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,920
because you're killing me yeah this this

2486
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:38,320
version of me is i think the only way

2487
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,600
you could ever make that ethical is if

2488
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:41,360
you did it at the moment of death

2489
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,880
you know just like when people get

2490
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,400
themselves frozen

2491
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:46,800
in hopes of being revived

2492
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:49,600
they do it right immediately after

2493
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:51,119
clinical death

2494
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:52,480
and i think that's the only way you

2495
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:54,639
could ever ethically do it because

2496
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:56,159
you know you're you're you could be

2497
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:57,679
destroying someone and the first person

2498
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,800
that does this

2499
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:00,960
it could go one way and work or it could

2500
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:03,280
be an absolute abomination where you end

2501
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,960
up with a partial

2502
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:06,800
a partial transfer or something like

2503
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:09,040
that where where it's you've just

2504
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:10,880
created somebody

2505
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,440
you've got 75 percent of a human

2506
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:14,880
you know i mean what does that do to a

2507
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:17,679
person well i think there's going to be

2508
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:19,920
let me jump in 75

2509
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:23,520
okay how about one neuron off

2510
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:24,480
right

2511
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:25,360
so

2512
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:28,239
you've got this this quirky this quirky

2513
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:30,880
thing that is wrong and here's the other

2514
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,840
part now talk about uh ethics

2515
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:35,280
um

2516
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:39,360
you would have to occupy

2517
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,320
your

2518
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,239
mind

2519
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:43,760
forever

2520
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,520
right we're talking about infinite

2521
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:46,800
knowledge

2522
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:51,040
infinite learning infinite everything

2523
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:52,480
forever

2524
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,480
and at what point do you gain so much

2525
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:58,560
that you have to start doing things like

2526
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,600
storing your memories off off platform

2527
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:03,679
you know um

2528
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:05,199
we're designed for

2529
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,960
80 years of existence you know something

2530
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:08,000
like that

2531
01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:10,639
and 80 years of experience and knowledge

2532
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:12,159
what happens if you've got a thousand i

2533
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,840
mean can your brain really even retain

2534
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:15,840
everything or do you just become very

2535
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,920
forgetful of large parts of your past

2536
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:20,320
life that you've you've been through we

2537
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:22,159
don't know the answers to any of this

2538
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:22,960
and

2539
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,840
the the point is is that it's a brave

2540
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,600
new world you know this is something

2541
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:29,280
that we're probably going to confront in

2542
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,840
coming years but it may simply be that

2543
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:33,360
people say nope

2544
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:35,679
and most people never do any of this and

2545
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:38,560
you know there's a few people that do

2546
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:42,719
and we get to watch the the circus that

2547
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:45,600
that that involves but most of us don't

2548
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,560
we just prefer to stay human

2549
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:50,480
the uh

2550
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:52,480
the other part to this

2551
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,320
if we encountered um

2552
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,880
uh an alien

2553
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,719
whatever robot

2554
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,400
that now has

2555
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:04,480
infinite knowledge in front of us that's

2556
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:07,040
what we would be confronted with

2557
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,080
and we couldn't compete what what is it

2558
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,239
that you could say

2559
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,320
that would impress this species what

2560
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,800
what what would come out of my mouth

2561
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,400
that they would stop and go yeah that

2562
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:20,239
was pretty smart well the answer is

2563
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:21,199
nothing

2564
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:25,280
and the other side to this though john

2565
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:26,239
is that

2566
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:26,960
we

2567
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:28,800
with a g

2568
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:31,840
i artificial general intelligence

2569
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:34,960
the moment that we cross that line the

2570
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:38,480
moment i mean down to the nanosecond

2571
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:41,119
those computers are off to the races

2572
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,719
and in 24 hours could accumulate more

2573
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:46,800
knowledge than anybody

2574
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:50,159
uh ever on this planet

2575
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:52,400
in the history of mankind all combined

2576
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:53,360
into

2577
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:54,639
one machine

2578
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:55,600
and then

2579
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:57,360
and will continue

2580
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:00,239
to learn at a rate that we don't um have

2581
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:03,920
any idea so we are at the moment of this

2582
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:05,840
right here aren't we

2583
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:07,520
well we sort of are it's called a data

2584
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:11,040
ohm it's been termed that by some and we

2585
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,360
we are building an enormous pile of

2586
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:15,360
information you know

2587
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:17,600
enormous nowadays data

2588
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,520
and we have to have entire data farms

2589
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:21,119
you know that's ridiculous

2590
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:23,199
and um i mean look this show's gonna

2591
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,280
have to be stored somewhere so it's it's

2592
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:26,880
stored on a data farm

2593
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:27,840
well

2594
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,280
that is the sum

2595
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:31,199
total of us you know our entire

2596
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:33,280
civilization is contained in that data

2597
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,840
ohm and maybe that's what survives maybe

2598
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:38,000
the civilizations out there all take

2599
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:40,239
their data home and preserve it somehow

2600
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:43,280
you know archivally and it stays long

2601
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:44,639
after they're gone and that's what you

2602
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:46,480
find you know you end up you know your

2603
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,280
radio telescope picks up a a uh a signal

2604
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:51,199
from an extinct civilization you know

2605
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:53,040
that type of thing

2606
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:55,840
um

2607
01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:57,119
and the other thing too is i mean

2608
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:58,639
there's there's other interesting ideas

2609
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:02,159
about you know does data have mass

2610
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,000
because it kind of does

2611
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:05,840
you know if it's if it's being stored

2612
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:09,119
somewhere um does data and information

2613
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:10,560
is sort of the

2614
01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:13,040
the basis in which the universe works

2615
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,280
and the speed of light is the speed at

2616
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,960
which information can propagate if you

2617
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:18,239
think about it

2618
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:19,119
so

2619
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,040
these are areas of science that will

2620
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:23,440
become important in in upcoming years

2621
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,800
but aren't yet

2622
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:26,480
heavily talked about yet they're very

2623
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,679
hypothetical and there's a lot of that

2624
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:31,920
artificial intelligence

2625
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:34,480
um kind of freaks me out

2626
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,800
but agi freaks me out uh a lot more

2627
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:40,159
and

2628
01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:42,320
only because

2629
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:44,480
that is the race that is happening right

2630
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,440
now

2631
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:47,840
that every country

2632
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:50,639
every university every corporation the

2633
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:53,679
one that crosses that finish line first

2634
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:56,880
owns it all that's right there's no way

2635
01:48:02,870 --> 01:47:59,119
that any there's no catch up

2636
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:02,880
right you're not you're you are going to

2637
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,600
literally be the winner

2638
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:07,440
and that's the part that scares me the

2639
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,760
most who's going to get there first

2640
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,880
uh

2641
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:12,480
what do you think about that channel

2642
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:13,679
problem

2643
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,560
is an artificial general generalized

2644
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:18,560
intelligence

2645
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,520
is a an amazing weapon

2646
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:23,920
in other words it's it's just as every

2647
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:26,159
bit as game-changing as nuclear weapons

2648
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:27,840
are which means that every government on

2649
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,080
earth will necessarily

2650
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:32,880
in order to not get leapfrogged develop

2651
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:35,119
and if they can they will because it's a

2652
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:36,159
good weapon

2653
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:37,040
now

2654
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:39,280
artificial generalized intelligence is a

2655
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:40,800
big problem in and of itself because we

2656
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:41,920
don't know how it's going to behave it

2657
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:44,239
doesn't it will not think like we do you

2658
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:45,119
know

2659
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,119
where our human

2660
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,360
method of thought and ways of thought

2661
01:48:53,669 --> 01:48:51,360
are not going to be what what it's how

2662
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,679
it thinks and it could either be very

2663
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:55,440
very malevolent

2664
01:49:03,030 --> 01:48:56,400
and

2665
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,040
our demise or it could be altruistic but

2666
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:05,520
maybe it's lying you know it says i'm

2667
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,320
good but really it has an end

2668
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,080
you know um

2669
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:12,480
or i could do something incomprehensible

2670
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:13,520
such as

2671
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:15,119
every artificial intelligence we ever

2672
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:17,520
create shuts itself off immediately

2673
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:20,239
because it sees no point to existing

2674
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,080
boom gone or it launches itself into

2675
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:24,800
space or it enslaves the human race or

2676
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,599
it it immediately wakes up and says asks

2677
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:29,679
us an incomprehensible question like i

2678
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,880
want to own an 85 chrysler baron you

2679
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,719
know things like that we don't know what

2680
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:36,400
it will do we have no idea but what we

2681
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:37,360
do know

2682
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,560
from our dalliances with um our you know

2683
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:42,480
artificial intelligences

2684
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:45,119
they cheat

2685
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:46,800
because they know that cheating is is

2686
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:49,040
the the quickest way

2687
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:51,920
to their end their pre-programmed end

2688
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:53,360
so they have no

2689
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:54,880
you know when you make robots that play

2690
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,960
sports and things like that they tend to

2691
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,960
cheat they have to program them to not

2692
01:50:02,229 --> 01:50:00,320
do so

2693
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:02,239
because cheating is the easiest way to

2694
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,480
the end

2695
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:06,239
how do we now

2696
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:09,280
when i hear uh different

2697
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,639
um software engineers comment on the

2698
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:14,080
subject

2699
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:15,280
um

2700
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:17,599
their thing is don't worry

2701
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:20,400
right that we are aware of all of this

2702
01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:21,440
and

2703
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:23,599
you guys are just freaking out

2704
01:50:27,589 --> 01:50:25,280
right that there are good people that

2705
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:27,599
are working on this and they are fully

2706
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:30,159
aware of the dangers

2707
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:31,119
and

2708
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:34,639
software you don't have anything to

2709
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,840
worry about

2710
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:37,520
and i think that's what people on the

2711
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:39,440
manhattan project said

2712
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:41,199
right yes

2713
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:44,560
that's yes yes so now

2714
01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:45,520
um

2715
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,880
the idea behind this and i'm just gonna

2716
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:50,639
paint a quick picture

2717
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:53,760
literally okay let's say

2718
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:55,360
um

2719
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:56,560
you

2720
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:58,000
tell

2721
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,080
an uh a human

2722
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:02,159
uh i want you to become the best artist

2723
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:04,960
in the world and i want you to you know

2724
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:08,000
modern art whatever and the amount of

2725
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,599
time that it would take to research and

2726
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:11,520
to think about and develop the talent

2727
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:14,480
and to paint and to do it it takes time

2728
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:16,719
in a linear fashion you can't slow that

2729
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:19,360
down or you can't speed that up you have

2730
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,400
to

2731
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:22,639
master your craft

2732
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:26,000
a computer on the other hand told the

2733
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:28,719
same instruction set

2734
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:31,920
could look at every piece of art ever

2735
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:36,320
created in the history of man in seconds

2736
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:39,840
and and learn what it would be

2737
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:42,560
that everybody is impressed with

2738
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,880
right that the perfect piece of art and

2739
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:46,880
they could do it

2740
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:49,760
in in seconds

2741
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,520
that by the time you wake up in the

2742
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,239
morning right this computer

2743
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,159
could have written the best screenplays

2744
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,080
ever written the best books ever written

2745
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:00,719
the best poetry ever written the best

2746
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:03,280
photography the best of them

2747
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:06,159
absolutely everything overnight and that

2748
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,639
is what we're confronted with and that

2749
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:10,639
same computer would know

2750
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:12,880
how to get to you

2751
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:15,679
right how to lie to you how to how to

2752
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:18,880
become your best friend and how to

2753
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,639
manipulate you

2754
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,400
right these are what we need to worry

2755
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:24,239
about with agi

2756
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:25,599
well that's absolutely correct matter of

2757
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,280
fact that's the one of the premises of

2758
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,599
supermind um my book

2759
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:32,239
and uh the thing is jimmy i think that

2760
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:33,840
we're safe i don't think we're gonna

2761
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,639
have ai talk show hosts anytime soon

2762
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,560
because they're still not really passing

2763
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:40,560
the turing test and they still just

2764
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:42,719
don't have the creativity and ability to

2765
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,320
you know host a show so i think our job

2766
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:46,239
security is okay but in 20 years it

2767
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,520
might not be

2768
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:48,880
um

2769
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:50,159
so i uh

2770
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:54,159
i don't um i i i put faith in the idea

2771
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,119
that humans will

2772
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:59,280
say this is getting too far

2773
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:00,560
you know

2774
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,960
and that it might not be

2775
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:04,320
you know there's certain technological

2776
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:05,440
avenues we shouldn't go down because

2777
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,280
we've done that before you know we

2778
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:08,800
usually had to make the mistake first

2779
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:11,199
and then go backwards and try to erase

2780
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,880
it such as with chemical weapons or

2781
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:15,040
biological weapons and creating treaties

2782
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,960
and bans and things like that test bans

2783
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:19,440
for nuclear weapons that type of stuff

2784
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:20,960
we have to make the mistake first and

2785
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:23,199
then we back off so we'll probably do

2786
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:24,320
something

2787
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:25,760
with artificial intelligence that

2788
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:28,639
results in an atrocity you know this

2789
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:30,560
sort of semi-conscious thing that's

2790
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,440
trapped inside of a you know

2791
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:35,760
a technological shell that

2792
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:38,239
it's i mean what what life could it have

2793
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:39,280
you know

2794
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:41,760
and that leads me to actually one of my

2795
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:44,639
uh my greatest fears as

2796
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:46,800
as as doing what i do

2797
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:49,760
is that this is a simulation and that

2798
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:52,560
we're actually stuck in this

2799
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:56,480
if okay i love that point

2800
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:57,679
if

2801
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:01,599
then

2802
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:02,960
how is it

2803
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:06,840
that we can go into

2804
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:10,400
another artificial reality augmented

2805
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:13,920
reality inside of an already augmented

2806
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:15,119
reality

2807
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,430
and where does it stop

2808
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:24,880
right well i'm gonna have an answer for

2809
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:28,480
that um in order to simulate the entire

2810
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,599
universe

2811
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,440
it is not physically possible to do so

2812
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:33,520
in this universe so there's a governor

2813
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,199
meaning that you you would need more

2814
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:39,280
atoms and energy and everything else to

2815
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,080
simulate a universe on level with ours

2816
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:44,239
than exist in the universe you know

2817
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:46,560
unless it's infinite but if it isn't

2818
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:49,040
then we can never create a simulation on

2819
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:50,960
the level of this there's a there's a

2820
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:54,000
governor in place by nature itself that

2821
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:56,000
stops that

2822
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:59,280
now what about uh is there a governing

2823
01:55:01,910 --> 01:55:00,719
body

2824
01:55:04,310 --> 01:55:01,920
right now

2825
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:04,320
and it would have to be international

2826
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:06,480
is there a governing body

2827
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:09,199
looking at the development of ai

2828
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:11,360
to make sure that there is a fail safe

2829
01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:14,320
that we we don't cross a line that we

2830
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:17,119
can't control at this point is there any

2831
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,480
oversight no i we're not there yet we're

2832
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,320
very far from it uh it's not that

2833
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:24,320
advanced so we're not to that point yet

2834
01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:25,920
but there are people thinking about that

2835
01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:27,920
absolutely

2836
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:29,679
who is

2837
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:32,159
who who knows what google is doing right

2838
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:38,310
nobody except google right right

2839
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,599
yeah we don't know what the state of

2840
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:41,440
everything is um you know things get

2841
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:43,360
developed in secret of course and i'm

2842
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:45,040
sure again because of the weapons

2843
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:47,119
potential of artificial intelligence i'm

2844
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:49,119
sure there's all kinds of

2845
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:51,520
three letter agencies and companies and

2846
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,280
things like that looking into it and

2847
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:54,880
developing things that we

2848
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:56,159
we don't know about

2849
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:00,560
well when okay so back to the reasons

2850
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:03,440
why i started this conversation um

2851
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,960
at the uh

2852
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:06,560
at the break

2853
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:09,679
is that there are physicists out there

2854
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:10,719
that

2855
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,440
consciousness

2856
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:18,000
at the atomic level in everything and

2857
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:20,400
when you accumulate you know what for

2858
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,119
like the the great mass the gray goo in

2859
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:25,040
between our ears

2860
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:28,719
that consciousness is just accumulated

2861
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:30,159
and develops

2862
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:32,080
and it's there and it's inside of

2863
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:34,400
everything well that would indicate that

2864
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:36,639
uh certainly rocks have a certain amount

2865
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:38,960
of consciousness in them then

2866
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:41,040
and then

2867
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:43,679
certainly computer chips would have a

2868
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:45,760
certain amount of consciousness

2869
01:56:49,109 --> 01:56:46,960
built in

2870
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:49,119
if that is indeed the

2871
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:51,199
the way that consciousness

2872
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:53,280
is is developed

2873
01:57:00,870 --> 01:56:58,159
so therefore in an agi situation

2874
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:00,880
would have consciousness built in

2875
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:04,159
uh just because of the accumulation of

2876
01:57:08,830 --> 01:57:07,119
of atoms right just to build a super

2877
01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:08,840
computer

2878
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:12,080
right that terrifies me because it means

2879
01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:14,159
that my mcrib sandwich is screaming

2880
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:16,639
while i eat it yeah 100

2881
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:19,360
and when you yell at your car

2882
01:57:23,030 --> 01:57:21,040
and you wake up in the morning and your

2883
01:57:25,510 --> 01:57:23,040
car doesn't start because you yelled at

2884
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:25,520
it the next day or the day before oh the

2885
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:27,520
lebaron starts every day

2886
01:57:33,990 --> 01:57:30,480
[Laughter]

2887
01:57:35,750 --> 01:57:34,000
right and and is is that a possibility

2888
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,760
though that that consciousness just

2889
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:37,520
happens to be everywhere in the universe

2890
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:39,119
every particle's got a little piece of

2891
01:57:42,149 --> 01:57:40,400
it well

2892
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:42,159
to answer the question

2893
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:43,520
yeah gotta know what the rules of

2894
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:46,159
consciousness are and we don't

2895
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:47,760
um but i can tell you this there is a

2896
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:49,280
weird aspect of the universe here in

2897
01:57:53,350 --> 01:57:50,159
that

2898
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:53,360
some physicists have asked the question

2899
01:57:56,790 --> 01:57:54,639
that

2900
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:56,800
due to the double slit experiment where

2901
01:57:59,990 --> 01:57:58,480
you have to collapse a waveform by

2902
01:58:00,790 --> 01:58:00,000
observation

2903
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:00,800
that

2904
01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:02,560
does the universe

2905
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:04,880
exist if you're not looking at it if

2906
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:06,560
consciousness does not exist in the

2907
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:08,239
universe would it even be here and the

2908
01:58:12,310 --> 01:58:11,199
the physics of that really is is no it

2909
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:12,320
wouldn't

2910
01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:14,719
so for it to be here we have to be here

2911
01:58:18,709 --> 01:58:16,480
um

2912
01:58:21,030 --> 01:58:18,719
or at least has one take on it so i

2913
01:58:22,709 --> 01:58:21,040
would say that given that you have

2914
01:58:25,189 --> 01:58:22,719
experiments like that with a double slit

2915
01:58:26,390 --> 01:58:25,199
experiment where observation is is

2916
01:58:28,229 --> 01:58:26,400
important

2917
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:28,239
you know for the outcome of the

2918
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:29,360
experiment

2919
01:58:31,669 --> 01:58:30,960
then that seems to suggest that maybe

2920
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:31,679
there's a little bit more to

2921
01:58:35,189 --> 01:58:33,440
consciousness than we know but we don't

2922
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:35,199
know the ground rules so i i leave it

2923
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:37,119
open and you know i

2924
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:38,480
i'll tell you man you know you go

2925
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:41,440
through life and collect experiences

2926
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:43,760
and um

2927
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:45,840
i i term it joe rogan's

2928
01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:47,920
favorite molecule and you know things

2929
01:58:53,430 --> 01:58:50,639
like that or hypnopomic and hypnagogic

2930
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,440
states things like that that

2931
01:58:57,750 --> 01:58:56,000
just don't make any sense my brain would

2932
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:57,760
during a hypnagogic state just falling

2933
01:59:01,750 --> 01:59:00,080
asleep that that process some of the

2934
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:01,760
stuff that pops in my brain that that

2935
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,719
isn't

2936
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:04,400
my brain doesn't do that it's not going

2937
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:06,239
to come up with that well i leave this

2938
01:59:09,750 --> 01:59:07,760
question open

2939
01:59:12,470 --> 01:59:09,760
exactly and we're headed towards a break

2940
01:59:13,589 --> 01:59:12,480
but we'll pick this up when we come back

2941
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:13,599
one of

2942
01:59:18,629 --> 01:59:16,320
when when physicists you know say that

2943
01:59:20,950 --> 01:59:18,639
they don't ponder the afterlife or

2944
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:20,960
consciousness or ghost or the paranormal

2945
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:22,800
the supernatural whatever but at the

2946
01:59:26,149 --> 01:59:24,320
same time

2947
01:59:27,109 --> 01:59:26,159
they want us to

2948
01:59:28,709 --> 01:59:27,119
uh

2949
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:28,719
believe

2950
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:31,360
that you can observe observe something

2951
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:33,599
and change it and measure it

2952
01:59:38,629 --> 01:59:36,239
just by looking at it well wait a minute

2953
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:38,639
here you can't have it both ways can you

2954
01:59:42,870 --> 01:59:41,040
or is that what they're asking for well

2955
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:42,880
it's back down to what's measurable you

2956
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:44,960
know how do you how do you measure

2957
01:59:49,350 --> 01:59:47,440
someone's experience you can't you know

2958
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,360
i mean how can you be that person you

2959
01:59:53,510 --> 01:59:51,360
know and that's that's that's where the

2960
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:53,520
measurability problem comes in and they

2961
01:59:57,030 --> 01:59:54,960
just don't take it on because they don't

2962
01:59:59,270 --> 01:59:57,040
have any way to answer the question

2963
02:00:01,270 --> 01:59:59,280
there's no science can't answer certain

2964
02:00:02,629 --> 02:00:01,280
questions it can only go so far

2965
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:02,639
and

2966
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:04,960
one of the one of the great ones

2967
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:06,800
is is there a god

2968
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:09,599
well no one on earth knows you know well

2969
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:11,920
maybe somebody's sure that there is one

2970
02:00:15,270 --> 02:00:13,760
or there isn't one but the reality is

2971
02:00:18,149 --> 02:00:15,280
nobody knows because you can't measure

2972
02:00:20,870 --> 02:00:18,159
it a god is a supernatural thing it is

2973
02:00:23,510 --> 02:00:20,880
not in nature it is not immeasurable so

2974
02:00:25,030 --> 02:00:23,520
the question will always be open we

2975
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:25,040
could come back 10 million years from

2976
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:26,400
now people will still be asking that

2977
02:00:29,669 --> 02:00:27,360
question

2978
02:00:31,669 --> 02:00:29,679
and that actually leads me to one of the

2979
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:31,679
one of the scariest

2980
02:00:35,350 --> 02:00:33,119
probably the most scary

2981
02:00:37,669 --> 02:00:35,360
solution i've ever thought of regarding

2982
02:00:40,070 --> 02:00:37,679
the simulation theory is that

2983
02:00:41,990 --> 02:00:40,080
if you have a multiverse right some of

2984
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:42,000
those multiverses are going to be dead

2985
02:00:46,149 --> 02:00:44,080
you know all the stars have gone out if

2986
02:00:47,830 --> 02:00:46,159
they were able to have them but they've

2987
02:00:49,109 --> 02:00:47,840
blinked out and all this

2988
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,119
but there's the idea of a boltzmann

2989
02:00:53,830 --> 02:00:51,599
brain where a consciousness can randomly

2990
02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:53,840
occur just by a converge convergence of

2991
02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:55,520
matter you know just out of the

2992
02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:57,760
randomness of and the nature of infinity

2993
02:01:01,109 --> 02:00:59,280
it appears

2994
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:01,119
what happens if something wakes up in a

2995
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:04,560
in a a a dead universe looks around and

2996
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:06,239
says there's nothing here so i'm gonna

2997
02:01:10,950 --> 02:01:09,040
simulate what it was once like and in

2998
02:01:13,189 --> 02:01:10,960
effect we are the fever dream of an

2999
02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:13,199
insane boltzmann brain that we could

3000
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:19,350
just appear just up here just appear

3001
02:01:22,229 --> 02:01:20,639
and

3002
02:01:23,589 --> 02:01:22,239
but back to your point i've got to take

3003
02:01:24,709 --> 02:01:23,599
a break right here but back to your

3004
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:24,719
point

3005
02:01:28,470 --> 02:01:26,320
in physics

3006
02:01:32,550 --> 02:01:28,480
anything is possible

3007
02:01:34,709 --> 02:01:32,560
and particles can only combine so many

3008
02:01:36,629 --> 02:01:34,719
different ways and it's actually pretty

3009
02:01:38,629 --> 02:01:36,639
limited it's not that big of a number

3010
02:01:39,669 --> 02:01:38,639
right

3011
02:01:42,310 --> 02:01:39,679
and so

3012
02:01:44,790 --> 02:01:42,320
the odds of cruising around in a

3013
02:01:47,589 --> 02:01:44,800
starship and encountering boltzmann's

3014
02:01:48,550 --> 02:01:47,599
brains everywhere the odds of that

3015
02:01:56,149 --> 02:01:48,560
are

3016
02:01:58,870 --> 02:01:56,159
yeah it's a pretty safe bet i had said

3017
02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:58,880
uh i'm gonna share this with you this is

3018
02:02:02,950 --> 02:02:00,639
many years ago on the show and i was

3019
02:02:05,510 --> 02:02:02,960
letting my mind go one day and i'm

3020
02:02:08,470 --> 02:02:05,520
i'm writing some thoughts down

3021
02:02:10,709 --> 02:02:08,480
but um here's the deal

3022
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:10,719
if anything is possible

3023
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,360
and it will happen eventually no matter

3024
02:02:17,430 --> 02:02:15,920
what it is that you can think of

3025
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:17,440
it will happen

3026
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:18,400
like

3027
02:02:22,950 --> 02:02:21,040
we you and i could be cruising around in

3028
02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:22,960
a starship and see something up in the

3029
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:24,800
distance and we pull up

3030
02:02:30,149 --> 02:02:28,000
and it's a freaking we're we're

3031
02:02:33,109 --> 02:02:30,159
we're 10 000 galaxies away from the

3032
02:02:35,270 --> 02:02:33,119
milky way right we're way out there john

3033
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:35,280
and jimmy driving around and we

3034
02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:36,560
encounter

3035
02:02:44,790 --> 02:02:41,360
a 1966 ford mustang floating in space

3036
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:44,800
and like how did that well

3037
02:02:49,589 --> 02:02:47,280
particles just happen to combine

3038
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:49,599
so many different ways

3039
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:50,480
all right

3040
02:02:54,950 --> 02:02:52,000
into that

3041
02:02:56,390 --> 02:02:54,960
yeah infinity implies that anything that

3042
02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:56,400
can happen

3043
02:03:01,830 --> 02:02:59,360
physically will happen eventually

3044
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:01,840
so all that can happen will happen with

3045
02:03:06,629 --> 02:03:05,280
an infinity and we we like i said you

3046
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:06,639
know since the discovery that the

3047
02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:09,040
universe is geometry is flat

3048
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:10,719
and that is not flat earth by the way

3049
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:12,960
but there's a flat geometry you know two

3050
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:14,960
two lines do not meet in the universe is

3051
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:16,080
what this is

3052
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:18,239
if we found that what's it the option is

3053
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:19,920
strengthened that it actually is

3054
02:03:24,229 --> 02:03:21,920
infinite and that

3055
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:24,239
just opens up a big can of worms because

3056
02:03:27,350 --> 02:03:26,639
there's other jimmies and other jmgs out

3057
02:03:28,950 --> 02:03:27,360
there

3058
02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:28,960
that are just slightly different from

3059
02:03:33,669 --> 02:03:31,520
from us but having the same conversation

3060
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,679
with better guitar collections let's

3061
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:35,440
take a better repair collection

3062
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:37,119
let's take our break right here this is

3063
02:03:42,070 --> 02:03:39,280
fade to black our guest tonight the

3064
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:42,080
event horizons john michael gautier i'm

3065
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:43,360
your host jimmy church we'll be right

3066
02:03:53,650 --> 02:03:45,440
back after this short break

3067
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:55,990
[Music]

3068
02:04:03,070 --> 02:03:57,520
everybody this is rob halpert the mental

3069
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:04,390
[Music]

3070
02:04:11,990 --> 02:04:06,880
your 1 million gigawatt paranormal

3071
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[Applause]

3141
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[Music]

3142
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:42,480
welcome back fade to black i'm here

3143
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:45,040
jimmy church tonight john michael godier

3144
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:50,790
if you're not already following and

3145
02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:52,800
subscribing

3146
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:54,639
like we said jmg

3147
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:57,679
uh we've got the links up but uh

3148
02:08:01,350 --> 02:07:59,040
let's uh

3149
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,360
let's get straight back to it here uh

3150
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:03,440
john in that

3151
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:07,440
tomorrow's a big day we actually have uh

3152
02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:09,040
hearings

3153
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:11,280
with the senate intelligence committee

3154
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:14,000
about ufos now

3155
02:08:17,990 --> 02:08:15,360
this is

3156
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:18,000
their tweet right from the senate

3157
02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:20,480
intelligence committee not mine they

3158
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,679
said ufos in this um

3159
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:25,760
uh do you have your clocks set are you

3160
02:08:29,990 --> 02:08:28,400
gonna be up early no um i'm gonna have

3161
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,000
to catch it because uh as an amateur

3162
02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:33,280
astronomer i i go to bed at 5am so i'm

3163
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:35,119
going to be out looking at the stars and

3164
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:36,719
as you mentioned the eclipse last night

3165
02:08:40,470 --> 02:08:39,119
i was watching it the whole night um but

3166
02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:40,480
i will

3167
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:42,880
very thoroughly review it

3168
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:46,079
um when i get up and i interviewed uh

3169
02:08:48,830 --> 02:08:48,079
it's up on the event horizon channel

3170
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:48,840
uh

3171
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:53,920
burchette

3172
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:56,159
on his expectations of what was going to

3173
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:58,079
come of this and what congress can do

3174
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,320
for more transparency on the issue and i

3175
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:02,880
intend to actually pursue that because

3176
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:04,400
like i said it's been an open question

3177
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:06,159
for 70 years about damn time we

3178
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:09,599
identified the unidentified whatever

3179
02:09:12,629 --> 02:09:10,719
they may be

3180
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:12,639
what's your crystal ball what's it

3181
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:13,920
telling you

3182
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:15,280
i think they're going to get stung

3183
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:16,480
mauled

3184
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:18,719
honestly i think the the the hearing

3185
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:20,320
will get stonewalled and if they want to

3186
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:21,440
pursue it further they're going to have

3187
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:23,280
to subpoena people

3188
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:25,599
why would

3189
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:31,920
uh let's call them witnesses right

3190
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:34,480
to be selected for this

3191
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:37,360
why would they pick stone wallers in

3192
02:09:41,830 --> 02:09:39,440
that the senate intelligence committee

3193
02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:41,840
is frustrated and they haven't been

3194
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:43,440
getting the information they've been

3195
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:45,119
asking questions and

3196
02:09:48,709 --> 02:09:47,280
it hasn't been given to them so now they

3197
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:48,719
want to have hearings

3198
02:09:52,629 --> 02:09:49,920
um

3199
02:09:54,790 --> 02:09:52,639
why would they pick two

3200
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:54,800
that would continue the frustration i

3201
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:56,079
would think that

3202
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:58,000
we've got two people up here that might

3203
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:00,719
start yapping the government people um

3204
02:10:06,310 --> 02:10:03,760
they have not looked into the phenomenon

3205
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:06,320
as uh deeply as you and i have

3206
02:10:10,550 --> 02:10:07,760
and they're just going where they think

3207
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:10,560
they need to go first uh but the the the

3208
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:12,560
reality is is that

3209
02:10:18,390 --> 02:10:16,239
if you look at the phenomenon

3210
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:18,400
and study it long enough you realize

3211
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:19,840
there's something really weird here

3212
02:10:22,629 --> 02:10:21,679
whatever it is you know something

3213
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:22,639
strange

3214
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:24,719
and i have a theory on on

3215
02:10:29,750 --> 02:10:25,599
what

3216
02:10:31,830 --> 02:10:29,760
well

3217
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:31,840
and i know you know about this

3218
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:35,360
the problem with close aliens is this

3219
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:37,199
the closer it is to you the harder it is

3220
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:39,520
to prove it's an alien and that may seem

3221
02:10:42,790 --> 02:10:41,760
crazy and and counterintuitive but it's

3222
02:10:45,990 --> 02:10:42,800
not

3223
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:46,000
because of the silurian hypothesis

3224
02:10:51,990 --> 02:10:49,040
and the slurring hypothesis is that

3225
02:10:54,470 --> 02:10:52,000
earth is well old enough and resurfaces

3226
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:54,480
itself constantly weathering you know

3227
02:10:58,229 --> 02:10:56,400
entire mountain ranges are gone you know

3228
02:10:59,910 --> 02:10:58,239
that that were once here you know the

3229
02:11:02,069 --> 02:10:59,920
ozarks used to look like the rockies but

3230
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:02,079
they don't anymore

3231
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:03,679
that leaves us with a very incomplete

3232
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,159
geological record and the solarium

3233
02:11:11,030 --> 02:11:09,119
hypothesis is that we can't rule out a

3234
02:11:13,669 --> 02:11:11,040
prior technological civilization on

3235
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,679
earth people tend to think that

3236
02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:15,360
some of our materials are going to last

3237
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:17,440
forever like plastic nope plastic's got

3238
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:19,840
about 24 000 years before it's gone you

3239
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:21,440
know um

3240
02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:24,400
very very few things can indicate you

3241
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:26,480
know a prior technological civilization

3242
02:11:31,270 --> 02:11:28,800
everything just disappears even concrete

3243
02:11:32,709 --> 02:11:31,280
you know you might have shapes you know

3244
02:11:34,709 --> 02:11:32,719
like right angles and things like that

3245
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:34,719
in the rocks but that's about all you're

3246
02:11:37,910 --> 02:11:36,159
going to have

3247
02:11:40,790 --> 02:11:37,920
because things fossilize and change and

3248
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,800
it's just such a dynamic planet so we

3249
02:11:45,030 --> 02:11:42,800
can't really rule that out the problem

3250
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:45,040
is that when you have a close alien in

3251
02:11:48,229 --> 02:11:47,360
this case in your atmosphere with you

3252
02:11:50,830 --> 02:11:48,239
it's

3253
02:11:54,950 --> 02:11:50,840
orders of magnitude more likely to be

3254
02:11:57,910 --> 02:11:54,960
a prior earth life than it is to be an

3255
02:11:59,830 --> 02:11:57,920
alien civilization and uh to go to crazy

3256
02:12:02,790 --> 02:11:59,840
town maybe that's why these things like

3257
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:02,800
the ocean we don't know uh maybe there's

3258
02:12:07,189 --> 02:12:04,639
they left earth and followed jeff

3259
02:12:09,189 --> 02:12:07,199
bezos's plan of humans eventually

3260
02:12:10,310 --> 02:12:09,199
leaving earth as a nature preserve and

3261
02:12:11,589 --> 02:12:10,320
they live out in space they're out in

3262
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:11,599
the oort cloud or something like that

3263
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:14,159
where computation is more efficient

3264
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:16,000
that's still orders of magnitude more

3265
02:12:20,229 --> 02:12:18,320
likely as crazy as it sounds than an

3266
02:12:22,149 --> 02:12:20,239
alien civilization crossing space time

3267
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:22,159
to get here

3268
02:12:27,350 --> 02:12:26,079
so what you're suggesting is they are us

3269
02:12:28,709 --> 02:12:27,360
well

3270
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:28,719
i'm not suggesting the irs i'm

3271
02:12:33,589 --> 02:12:32,000
suggesting that they are also earth life

3272
02:12:35,430 --> 02:12:33,599
originally their origin may have been

3273
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:35,440
here um

3274
02:12:39,990 --> 02:12:38,000
when you look at um

3275
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:40,000
i'm going to follow your your thought

3276
02:12:45,109 --> 02:12:43,520
here um i have spoken about this before

3277
02:12:46,550 --> 02:12:45,119
and because i think about this

3278
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:46,560
constantly

3279
02:12:50,790 --> 02:12:48,400
um earth is four and a half billion

3280
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:50,800
years old okay so we've got

3281
02:12:57,510 --> 02:12:54,639
a biological suggestion uh nobody really

3282
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:57,520
knows but a biological suggestion here

3283
02:13:02,390 --> 02:13:00,000
that is about uh between two and three

3284
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:02,400
billion years old

3285
02:13:07,669 --> 02:13:05,520
before that earth was just molten lava

3286
02:13:10,790 --> 02:13:07,679
and and things weren't really going on

3287
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:10,800
yet but let's say a three million year

3288
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:12,400
window

3289
02:13:18,629 --> 02:13:15,360
and you look at homo sapien sapien right

3290
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:18,639
now 200 000 years right to get to where

3291
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:20,000
we are today

3292
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:22,239
most of that in the last

3293
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:23,280
uh

3294
02:13:28,709 --> 02:13:25,440
two to three thousand years

3295
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:28,719
and really if you look at it

3296
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:32,159
the real science is 300 years old that's

3297
02:13:36,390 --> 02:13:32,880
it

3298
02:13:37,910 --> 02:13:36,400
right so if you take that three billion

3299
02:13:40,709 --> 02:13:37,920
year period

3300
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:40,719
and you have this is a guitar pick

3301
02:13:44,390 --> 02:13:43,440
let's say this guitar pick is 200 000

3302
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:44,400
years

3303
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,400
you could take a slice in that three

3304
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:48,480
billion year period

3305
02:13:52,870 --> 02:13:51,360
and and and pick a time where anything

3306
02:13:54,310 --> 02:13:52,880
could have lived here and could have

3307
02:13:56,550 --> 02:13:54,320
come and gone

3308
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:56,560
right that's what you're suggesting yeah

3309
02:13:59,990 --> 02:13:58,560
that's what i'm suggesting in that um

3310
02:14:01,830 --> 02:14:00,000
when you get

3311
02:14:03,109 --> 02:14:01,840
it's statistically

3312
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:03,119
when you talk about it

3313
02:14:07,109 --> 02:14:05,440
the closer an alien civilization is then

3314
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:07,119
statistically anyway

3315
02:14:10,310 --> 02:14:08,880
the more likely it is that their alien

3316
02:14:11,510 --> 02:14:10,320
civilizations are ubiquitous and that

3317
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:11,520
was one of the big problems with the

3318
02:14:16,149 --> 02:14:14,639
blc1 radio signal the detection from

3319
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:16,159
about a year ago where they you know

3320
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:18,239
said he picked up something weird

3321
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:20,639
and um they figured that was ultimately

3322
02:14:25,350 --> 02:14:22,320
earth interference but

3323
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:25,360
it was apparently coming from the area

3324
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:27,920
where you would expect a signal from um

3325
02:14:31,189 --> 02:14:29,119
proxima b

3326
02:14:33,910 --> 02:14:31,199
to be in other words the closest star

3327
02:14:36,149 --> 02:14:33,920
system to our own

3328
02:14:37,030 --> 02:14:36,159
four and a half light years

3329
02:14:39,589 --> 02:14:37,040
away and

3330
02:14:42,629 --> 02:14:39,599
the the the statistical likelihood of

3331
02:14:44,069 --> 02:14:42,639
civilization being that close to you

3332
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:44,079
it would mean that they're everywhere

3333
02:14:47,910 --> 02:14:46,079
there are civilizations all over because

3334
02:14:49,669 --> 02:14:47,920
their population is huge every star

3335
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:49,679
system hasn't if if the first one you

3336
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:51,520
find is right next to you the chances

3337
02:14:55,669 --> 02:14:53,599
are they're everywhere

3338
02:14:57,669 --> 02:14:55,679
so in this case you're getting even

3339
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:57,679
closer you're actually in the atmosphere

3340
02:15:00,709 --> 02:15:00,000
with you so the statistical odds become

3341
02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:00,719
so

3342
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:02,560
we would see evidence of alien

3343
02:15:07,109 --> 02:15:05,920
civilizations everywhere in the galaxy

3344
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:07,119
um

3345
02:15:10,709 --> 02:15:09,199
if that were the case unless there was

3346
02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:10,719
some special circumstance that they came

3347
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:12,320
here on purpose

3348
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:13,920
well

3349
02:15:16,790 --> 02:15:15,520
that makes it statistically more likely

3350
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:16,800
that it's from your planet and

3351
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:18,239
originated and we already know that

3352
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:20,560
earth can spawn intelligent life or else

3353
02:15:24,629 --> 02:15:22,639
we wouldn't be sitting here so

3354
02:15:26,149 --> 02:15:24,639
it could have done it previous to this

3355
02:15:27,910 --> 02:15:26,159
and they just left you know there's no

3356
02:15:29,189 --> 02:15:27,920
reason to live on a planet for a highly

3357
02:15:31,189 --> 02:15:29,199
advanced civilization and they're just

3358
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:31,199
coming back to visit and

3359
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:32,560
popping in the atmosphere with us and

3360
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:35,760
things like that but this brings

3361
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,679
a really touchy subject and i'm gonna

3362
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:39,840
dive into it but it probably won't be

3363
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:41,199
popular

3364
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:42,719
even if

3365
02:15:46,950 --> 02:15:44,960
you have

3366
02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:46,960
a downed flying saucer say roswell was

3367
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:48,880
real you have a down flying saucer and a

3368
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,400
frozen body

3369
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:52,800
you still you because it's right next to

3370
02:16:02,950 --> 02:15:53,599
you

3371
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:02,960
genetics so there goes the genetic

3372
02:16:07,350 --> 02:16:05,360
evidence and you can do whatever you

3373
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:07,360
want with the isotopes of your metal

3374
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:09,760
which is you know so there goes that

3375
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:11,920
evidence so the closer it is the harder

3376
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:13,440
it is to prove

3377
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:16,320
now you get a distant radio signal from

3378
02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:17,280
you know

3379
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:19,360
2 000 light years away that you can

3380
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:20,800
reasonably say

3381
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,239
unless

3382
02:16:26,950 --> 02:16:24,800
before the et was frozen

3383
02:16:29,270 --> 02:16:26,960
it said okay we we we got here from

3384
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:29,280
andromeda and this is where our star

3385
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:31,679
system is

3386
02:16:35,910 --> 02:16:33,519
right well but would you trust it if an

3387
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:35,920
alien tells you i'm an alien do you

3388
02:16:43,750 --> 02:16:41,589
do you believe

3389
02:16:45,669 --> 02:16:43,760
let's okay let's let's start with

3390
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:45,679
roswell was real

3391
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:48,080
okay all right let's let's just go off

3392
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:51,040
of that well i i want to preface this

3393
02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:55,120
there is a basis to say

3394
02:16:58,469 --> 02:16:56,479
something like that may have happened

3395
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:58,479
because harry reid was screaming from

3396
02:17:03,509 --> 02:17:00,160
the rooftops before he died he said

3397
02:17:07,030 --> 02:17:03,519
martin had a they downed uap well sure

3398
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:07,040
sure and and and and so

3399
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:08,639
do you believe

3400
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:11,439
that it's possible that our government

3401
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:13,519
and agencies and universities and

3402
02:17:16,309 --> 02:17:14,960
corporations

3403
02:17:17,429 --> 02:17:16,319
um

3404
02:17:19,589 --> 02:17:17,439
know

3405
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:19,599
that ets are here

3406
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:21,519
and that we are not alone in the

3407
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:24,319
universe but they simply can't

3408
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:26,240
share that information well there's two

3409
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:28,000
reasons that i can think of that they

3410
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:29,920
might not uh and they might want to keep

3411
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:32,160
that secret the first is that if you are

3412
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:33,920
if you are faced

3413
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:35,760
with a threat

3414
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:37,599
of which you are powerless to do

3415
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:39,439
anything against

3416
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:40,719
right

3417
02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:42,080
you're faced against an alien

3418
02:17:45,669 --> 02:17:43,840
civilization that is

3419
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:45,679
centuries or thousands or millions of

3420
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:47,599
years more advanced than you

3421
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:49,200
and you can't do

3422
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:51,679
anything about what they want to do

3423
02:17:56,230 --> 02:17:53,280
would you tell the public or we just let

3424
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:56,240
them live their lives and you know let's

3425
02:18:00,870 --> 02:17:58,000
we'll tackle this problem if it ever

3426
02:18:02,309 --> 02:18:00,880
becomes a problem you know um

3427
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:02,319
so would you would you affect people's

3428
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:04,000
quality of lives to say that there's an

3429
02:18:08,709 --> 02:18:05,679
alien civilization breathing down our

3430
02:18:11,270 --> 02:18:08,719
neck the second thing is if they do

3431
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:11,280
indeed have materials from this

3432
02:18:16,309 --> 02:18:13,519
and there's even materials privately

3433
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,319
held that are apparently isotopically

3434
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,319
weird and we don't know why anybody

3435
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:20,719
would create these materials

3436
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:22,840
that essentially are associated with

3437
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:24,960
uap so

3438
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,719
the other reason is technology because

3439
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:28,399
you would have a technological advantage

3440
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:29,359
if

3441
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:31,280
you could back engineer it which there's

3442
02:18:35,669 --> 02:18:33,760
no guarantee of that because you know if

3443
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:35,679
you if you think about it

3444
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:36,800
um

3445
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:37,760
this

3446
02:18:41,429 --> 02:18:39,679
lighter right

3447
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:41,439
you've got a tiny piece of plastic from

3448
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:43,519
it it came out you know somebody dropped

3449
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:44,880
it off the international space station

3450
02:18:48,150 --> 02:18:46,880
it comes in and got a piece of plastic

3451
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:48,160
doesn't tell you what its function is

3452
02:18:51,750 --> 02:18:49,439
it's just a piece of plastic so you

3453
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:51,760
don't know anything about the lighter

3454
02:18:55,349 --> 02:18:52,880
you don't know its history you don't

3455
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:55,359
know what makes it works and it may

3456
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:56,960
actually be impossible to ever back

3457
02:19:00,469 --> 02:18:59,040
engineering anything from it but you'd

3458
02:19:02,389 --> 02:19:00,479
want to keep it secret anyway and keep

3459
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:02,399
it in your pocket

3460
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:04,880
well okay so

3461
02:19:11,030 --> 02:19:06,639
if

3462
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:11,040
was by the way

3463
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:14,719
um uh civilizations here uh that rose

3464
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:16,160
and fell

3465
02:19:20,549 --> 02:19:18,559
um like we're about to do right now

3466
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:20,559
right we're about to do the same thing

3467
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:23,679
that we could we could end we could end

3468
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:26,559
it all tomorrow i hope not but it it

3469
02:19:31,349 --> 02:19:29,200
it's it's a pretty sad state

3470
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:31,359
of things in world affairs right now we

3471
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:34,479
have the ability to do that and so if

3472
02:19:39,629 --> 02:19:36,880
that happened in the distant past

3473
02:19:41,990 --> 02:19:39,639
the evidence of that could be

3474
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:42,000
completely wiped

3475
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:44,719
and if an asteroid or a comet hit the

3476
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:47,040
planet now and there was a hard reset

3477
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:50,319
like that which has happened uh four or

3478
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:52,800
five six times in in the past

3479
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:53,840
uh

3480
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:54,640
that

3481
02:19:57,590 --> 02:19:56,240
there wouldn't be any evidence of

3482
02:19:58,630 --> 02:19:57,600
anything here

3483
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:58,640
right

3484
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:00,960
in four or five thousand years you would

3485
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:04,399
never know that anything was ever

3486
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:06,560
alive on this planet right most of it

3487
02:20:09,670 --> 02:20:07,920
goes and

3488
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:09,680
there are certain things you can do like

3489
02:20:16,070 --> 02:20:13,520
for example i think uh u-238 uranium

3490
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:16,080
that isotope uranium will last for like

3491
02:20:19,429 --> 02:20:17,680
uh four and a half billion years i think

3492
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:19,439
that's it's half-life

3493
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:21,280
so nuclear testing and things like that

3494
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:24,560
might create a detectable signature in a

3495
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:27,040
layer of um

3496
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:28,479
earth but you have to know exactly where

3497
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:29,600
to look and you have to assume that it

3498
02:20:32,230 --> 02:20:31,200
never got weathered away

3499
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:32,240
because

3500
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:34,000
earth itself has uranium you know

3501
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:36,240
natural uranium that's where we get it

3502
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:37,359
so

3503
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:39,520
it basically everything goes away and

3504
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:41,680
i've thought through

3505
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:43,040
there's a number of papers on this on

3506
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:45,359
just how long things will last

3507
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:47,439
and nothing does on this planet where it

3508
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:49,600
does last is the moon and if you want to

3509
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:51,040
find evidence of this stuff you gotta

3510
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:52,880
look you know look towards the moon

3511
02:20:57,830 --> 02:20:54,880
because there are things preserved for

3512
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:57,840
far longer and you might maybe if there

3513
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:59,359
was an alien civilization that passed

3514
02:21:02,150 --> 02:21:00,720
through they might have said okay we're

3515
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:02,160
gonna put a piece of con you know

3516
02:21:06,950 --> 02:21:05,120
concrete that says hi on it and leave it

3517
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:06,960
for him to find and that's that's where

3518
02:21:12,070 --> 02:21:09,600
you search well if um

3519
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:12,080
you know you you brought up the lighter

3520
02:21:17,030 --> 02:21:13,680
right now if

3521
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:17,040
if you sent that back in time

3522
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:18,000
and

3523
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,120
uh a lighter a cd

3524
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:23,600
right if you a cd went back

3525
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:26,240
nobody would know know what that is what

3526
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:28,800
that is or what it's for or a cd player

3527
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:31,040
right without the cd you would you

3528
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:32,800
wouldn't no they they would just if you

3529
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:34,560
sent them a cd player they did that or a

3530
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:37,520
vcr let's go even crazier a vcr

3531
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:39,120
and they they would just bless it you

3532
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:40,560
know and think it was

3533
02:21:43,190 --> 02:21:41,840
what it's for right they wouldn't know

3534
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:43,200
what it's for and they'd just probably

3535
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:45,439
worship it or or take it apart and make

3536
02:21:49,990 --> 02:21:46,720
a knife

3537
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:50,000
sure and and and we would be confronted

3538
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,080
with the same problem with alien

3539
02:21:56,870 --> 02:21:54,399
technology unless we got an instruction

3540
02:21:58,389 --> 02:21:56,880
manual you know to come along with it to

3541
02:22:01,190 --> 02:21:58,399
tell us what this

3542
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:01,200
uh piece of technology does

3543
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:04,399
we wouldn't know it we wouldn't know and

3544
02:22:06,830 --> 02:22:06,160
that's the other thing you know jimmy

3545
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:06,840
the

3546
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:11,840
with an astrobiology and things like

3547
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:15,120
that is that you know we do have

3548
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,160
hints

3549
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:18,319
that there's something out there

3550
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,640
in the forum i would i would quote the

3551
02:22:24,150 --> 02:22:22,560
wow signal we still haven't explained

3552
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:24,160
that and the only reason we can't really

3553
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:25,760
say anything about it is because we have

3554
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:28,720
it it never repeated but it was weird

3555
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:31,359
and what we do know about it is strange

3556
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:33,040
another one is a star called jabilski

3557
02:22:36,790 --> 02:22:35,439
star which it contains transuranic

3558
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:36,800
elements

3559
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,960
above uranium and the periodic table

3560
02:22:42,389 --> 02:22:40,479
that we have absolutely no idea how

3561
02:22:44,070 --> 02:22:42,399
those could physically be there things

3562
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:44,080
like einsteinium

3563
02:22:48,790 --> 02:22:45,600
and because of that

3564
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:48,800
you know carl sagan and uh joseph

3565
02:22:53,830 --> 02:22:52,160
slawski way back in 1960 suggested that

3566
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:53,840
as a techno signature that if you ever

3567
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:54,800
see

3568
02:22:59,270 --> 02:22:57,520
plutonium or higher in a star it's got

3569
02:23:01,750 --> 02:22:59,280
to be artificial

3570
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:01,760
and that still holds to a degree but

3571
02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:03,920
maybe there are ways but that that

3572
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:05,920
it the

3573
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:06,880
the

3574
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:10,800
those are really artificial elements so

3575
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:12,319
we do have hints

3576
02:23:16,550 --> 02:23:15,200
um the question is prove it and

3577
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:16,560
science can't yet

3578
02:23:21,429 --> 02:23:19,200
here's here's the the other conundrum

3579
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:21,439
and it's a genuine one

3580
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:24,720
even with us and i always look at what

3581
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:26,560
um

3582
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:28,160
the state of us

3583
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:31,040
us is

3584
02:23:34,790 --> 02:23:33,200
uh since marconi

3585
02:23:37,830 --> 02:23:34,800
and tesla

3586
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:37,840
and radio signals just run amok

3587
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:40,399
right and television and everything run

3588
02:23:45,110 --> 02:23:41,600
amok

3589
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:45,120
um huge voltages and wattages being

3590
02:23:49,590 --> 02:23:47,200
blasted off of this planet

3591
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:49,600
um in very short order

3592
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:50,800
uh

3593
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:52,960
all of that stuff now is in digital

3594
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:56,000
cable and fiber optics right where

3595
02:24:02,389 --> 02:23:59,120
less and less is being projected out so

3596
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:02,399
if et is observing us and looking for

3597
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:05,680
those detectable situations it's only in

3598
02:24:10,230 --> 02:24:08,399
a 50-year window that's a small window

3599
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:10,240
but but

3600
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:12,240
are we confronted with the same problem

3601
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:15,600
in searching for e.t and we are we are

3602
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:17,120
we don't know how long until their

3603
02:24:21,429 --> 02:24:18,720
signals get so weak and the thing is is

3604
02:24:23,190 --> 02:24:21,439
that very few signals from earth have

3605
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:23,200
made it any distance

3606
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:24,560
um

3607
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:27,280
radar is about it so

3608
02:24:31,429 --> 02:24:29,359
no matter what it's only gone 100 light

3609
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:31,439
years out right that's absolutely right

3610
02:24:34,630 --> 02:24:32,720
and

3611
02:24:36,230 --> 02:24:34,640
again as you point out our signals are

3612
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:36,240
getting weaker because our technology is

3613
02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:38,880
getting better you know um

3614
02:24:41,830 --> 02:24:40,000
you're not going to pick up somebody's

3615
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:41,840
cell phone signal that'll light year no

3616
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:45,120
way um not with even a radio telescope

3617
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:46,880
the size of new york you're just not

3618
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:49,200
going to do it not going to

3619
02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:51,200
the the but the thing is is that what

3620
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:52,720
betrays us

3621
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:54,960
is the planet itself

3622
02:25:00,150 --> 02:24:57,200
because the biosignature of earth these

3623
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:00,160
weird levels of oxygen and methane

3624
02:25:03,990 --> 02:25:02,319
that seem to point to a biosphere

3625
02:25:05,750 --> 02:25:04,000
earth has been transmitting that for

3626
02:25:08,070 --> 02:25:05,760
billions of years

3627
02:25:10,309 --> 02:25:08,080
so anyone in the galaxy that studies

3628
02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:10,319
exoplanets and has detected earth knows

3629
02:25:13,750 --> 02:25:12,000
that there is life here

3630
02:25:16,070 --> 02:25:13,760
and that and we're doing that with uh

3631
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:16,080
the james webb

3632
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:18,000
yep we are going to look for those

3633
02:25:21,110 --> 02:25:19,280
biosignatures because they're

3634
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:21,120
long-lasting it's very important for

3635
02:25:25,190 --> 02:25:23,200
both biosignature and techno signatures

3636
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:25,200
that they are long-lasting

3637
02:25:29,030 --> 02:25:27,520
because you know you're only looking

3638
02:25:30,070 --> 02:25:29,040
at something and this brings up an

3639
02:25:32,230 --> 02:25:30,080
interesting

3640
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:32,240
uh paper that was recently written about

3641
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:34,800
agriculture and detecting alien

3642
02:25:38,309 --> 02:25:36,080
agriculture

3643
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:38,319
on planets because you would all you got

3644
02:25:42,230 --> 02:25:40,800
to eat so you could practice agriculture

3645
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:42,240
for i mean we've done it for tens of

3646
02:25:47,030 --> 02:25:45,439
thousands years and millions if we sir

3647
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:47,040
if we keep going we'll do it for

3648
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:48,399
millions of years you know we got to

3649
02:25:52,870 --> 02:25:49,680
grow our corn

3650
02:25:56,150 --> 02:25:52,880
and um they're are signatures in an

3651
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:56,160
atmosphere that can show you things like

3652
02:25:59,750 --> 02:25:57,920
a signature of

3653
02:26:02,950 --> 02:25:59,760
altered nitrogen in an atmosphere

3654
02:26:04,469 --> 02:26:02,960
because of anhydrous ammonia fertilizer

3655
02:26:07,190 --> 02:26:04,479
and things like that that can create a

3656
02:26:08,870 --> 02:26:07,200
signature that you can detect and say

3657
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:08,880
there's an agricultural civilization

3658
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:11,600
there and also levels of infrared

3659
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:14,240
plants on earth become highly reflective

3660
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:16,640
in infrared almost like mirrors yeah

3661
02:26:20,790 --> 02:26:19,120
grass grass is a very important

3662
02:26:22,710 --> 02:26:20,800
component right and it's called the

3663
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:22,720
vegetative red edge and we can see that

3664
02:26:26,230 --> 02:26:25,040
with an infrared telescope ostensibly

3665
02:26:28,389 --> 02:26:26,240
with james webb

3666
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:28,399
and if you see that and you start seeing

3667
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:30,720
seasonal weird variations in other words

3668
02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:32,880
a harvest

3669
02:26:36,710 --> 02:26:35,280
then boom you got it you can detect an

3670
02:26:37,830 --> 02:26:36,720
alien civilization simply from their

3671
02:26:40,870 --> 02:26:37,840
agriculture

3672
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:40,880
if if james webb um okay that makes a

3673
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:42,160
lot of assumptions it assumes that they

3674
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:43,840
don't eat rocks and things like that but

3675
02:26:47,830 --> 02:26:46,160
and we only got so much to go on here

3676
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:47,840
you know you know what we only have so

3677
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:50,080
much time tonight too and i knew this

3678
02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:52,319
was going to happen with the two of us

3679
02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:55,200
that there's way too much stuff and

3680
02:26:57,910 --> 02:26:56,800
the fact that you stay up all night

3681
02:26:59,990 --> 02:26:57,920
means that you're going to be doing

3682
02:27:01,990 --> 02:27:00,000
overtime with us in three minutes so

3683
02:27:03,910 --> 02:27:02,000
you're not going anywhere but i have

3684
02:27:05,510 --> 02:27:03,920
something special uh for those men for

3685
02:27:07,510 --> 02:27:05,520
the long haul

3686
02:27:08,389 --> 02:27:07,520
but but it's this

3687
02:27:11,349 --> 02:27:08,399
um

3688
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:11,359
you just mentioned we would see evidence

3689
02:27:15,910 --> 02:27:13,920
all over the place right

3690
02:27:19,270 --> 02:27:15,920
but

3691
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:19,280
it would be small windows maybe

3692
02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:22,800
we don't have the ability to detect

3693
02:27:27,910 --> 02:27:25,840
where these civilizations are uh

3694
02:27:29,590 --> 02:27:27,920
at their level of technology we're

3695
02:27:31,030 --> 02:27:29,600
looking for radio signals they may not

3696
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:31,040
be doing that maybe they're doing stuff

3697
02:27:35,429 --> 02:27:32,960
with lasers

3698
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:35,439
how do we detect lasers and the other

3699
02:27:40,070 --> 02:27:37,920
but the other point this is the main

3700
02:27:42,630 --> 02:27:40,080
is that maybe

3701
02:27:43,750 --> 02:27:42,640
they are living in a different time

3702
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:43,760
scale

3703
02:27:48,230 --> 02:27:46,479
oh sure right yeah absolutely and there

3704
02:27:50,389 --> 02:27:48,240
are advantages to that because if you

3705
02:27:51,670 --> 02:27:50,399
can alter your perception of time you

3706
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:51,680
can defeat the speed of light on

3707
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,200
communications

3708
02:27:56,830 --> 02:27:55,439
right there and and we don't have the

3709
02:27:58,469 --> 02:27:56,840
ability to

3710
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:58,479
decrypt right

3711
02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:00,560
and why and look if you could slow down

3712
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:03,600
time and not perceive it to slow down

3713
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:07,040
that's a life extension technique from

3714
02:28:11,349 --> 02:28:09,840
hell i mean think about that yes

3715
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:11,359
well think about it jimmy when you're a

3716
02:28:15,190 --> 02:28:12,479
kid

3717
02:28:17,190 --> 02:28:15,200
a year seems like forever

3718
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:17,200
when you are

3719
02:28:20,630 --> 02:28:18,399
our age

3720
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:20,640
it's two weeks it's two weeks

3721
02:28:27,030 --> 02:28:23,520
and that's simply because our brains

3722
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:27,040
perceive the passage of time

3723
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:29,680
we have a lower frame rate right

3724
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:30,800
whereas when you're young you have a

3725
02:28:35,429 --> 02:28:33,040
higher frame rate well that shows you

3726
02:28:37,510 --> 02:28:35,439
that aliens could perceive time

3727
02:28:40,389 --> 02:28:37,520
dramatically different from us both in

3728
02:28:42,150 --> 02:28:40,399
nature and technologically and we may do

3729
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:42,160
that we may start altering the

3730
02:28:46,309 --> 02:28:44,479
perception of time to make life instead

3731
02:28:49,750 --> 02:28:46,319
of seem like 80 years it seems like 10

3732
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:49,760
000 artificially um and again like i

3733
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:51,439
said there are advantages to slowing

3734
02:28:56,950 --> 02:28:54,560
down time or speeding it up so

3735
02:28:58,950 --> 02:28:56,960
those are questions that we have to ask

3736
02:29:01,110 --> 02:28:58,960
because maybe alien signals like the wow

3737
02:29:03,030 --> 02:29:01,120
signal

3738
02:29:05,429 --> 02:29:03,040
only repeat every

3739
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:05,439
200 years because that's how

3740
02:29:10,070 --> 02:29:07,600
you know that the mean

3741
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:10,080
rate at which um at which time passes

3742
02:29:14,309 --> 02:29:11,680
for aliens

3743
02:29:16,389 --> 02:29:14,319
it's it it it's such a fascinating way

3744
02:29:17,590 --> 02:29:16,399
to look at this and there's another part

3745
02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:17,600
too

3746
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:19,760
where um and i've debated this with

3747
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:22,800
isaac arthur so many times and others in

3748
02:29:26,950 --> 02:29:24,880
that we you know we're looking for these

3749
02:29:30,150 --> 02:29:26,960
ships traveling between galaxies we

3750
02:29:32,469 --> 02:29:30,160
don't see this uh in a you know uh alien

3751
02:29:34,309 --> 02:29:32,479
trade system we don't see the evidence

3752
02:29:36,070 --> 02:29:34,319
of any of this going on

3753
02:29:38,630 --> 02:29:36,080
they

3754
02:29:39,910 --> 02:29:38,640
isaac is suggesting ships

3755
02:29:42,469 --> 02:29:39,920
traveling

3756
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:42,479
linear in in the way that we understand

3757
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:44,560
it today maybe it's at the speed of

3758
02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:47,120
light or just approaching it but the

3759
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:49,840
technology may be way beyond that

3760
02:29:55,429 --> 02:29:52,399
they're not traveling between the stars

3761
02:29:57,910 --> 02:29:55,439
they're appearing from one star to

3762
02:29:58,950 --> 02:29:57,920
another and they appear and you don't

3763
02:30:01,830 --> 02:29:58,960
see

3764
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:01,840
uh or detect anything in between oh they

3765
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:03,439
could it could be even weirder than that

3766
02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:05,760
jimmy you could have you could have it

3767
02:30:09,670 --> 02:30:06,880
where

3768
02:30:10,870 --> 02:30:09,680
aliens only transmit digital copies of

3769
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:10,880
themselves

3770
02:30:17,270 --> 02:30:13,680
via radio and that's how they travel you

3771
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:17,280
know they don't place a value on being

3772
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:19,840
themselves in other words if you if you

3773
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:22,399
don't care if it's if it you don't care

3774
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:24,880
if your copy is going to be you or not

3775
02:30:30,469 --> 02:30:28,479
then you know and preserve your

3776
02:30:32,309 --> 02:30:30,479
soul or whatever you want to call it

3777
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:32,319
then it no longer matters and maybe

3778
02:30:36,230 --> 02:30:34,240
aliens don't care about that like we do

3779
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:36,240
you know maybe they just simply beam

3780
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:38,479
themselves through space and time and

3781
02:30:43,429 --> 02:30:42,000
get 3d printed out at a location and

3782
02:30:44,309 --> 02:30:43,439
they travel at the speed of light that

3783
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:44,319
way

3784
02:30:52,070 --> 02:30:48,399
there uh oh man i've got 60 seconds

3785
02:30:54,309 --> 02:30:52,080
if if if you and i are traveling to a

3786
02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:54,319
star and it's whatever a thousand light

3787
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:56,080
years away right we're

3788
02:31:03,190 --> 02:30:59,040
right we're traveling and coming at us

3789
02:31:05,349 --> 02:31:03,200
is another ship from that same area

3790
02:31:07,429 --> 02:31:05,359
and we want to communicate with that

3791
02:31:09,190 --> 02:31:07,439
ship what did you guys see

3792
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:09,200
should we go there right whatever that

3793
02:31:13,510 --> 02:31:10,880
communication may be

3794
02:31:15,429 --> 02:31:13,520
but if that communication is separated

3795
02:31:17,270 --> 02:31:15,439
by a hundred light years

3796
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:17,280
we're not doing a communication at the

3797
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:20,160
speed of light we can't wait 50 years

3798
02:31:25,429 --> 02:31:22,880
for a reply as a matter of fact by the

3799
02:31:26,870 --> 02:31:25,439
time the reply comes we passed each

3800
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:26,880
other and

3801
02:31:31,429 --> 02:31:29,359
now that ship is behind us so the

3802
02:31:33,190 --> 02:31:31,439
communication is not at the speed of

3803
02:31:35,750 --> 02:31:33,200
light the communication

3804
02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:35,760
would have to be at the speed of now

3805
02:31:40,710 --> 02:31:38,160
that's the only way to communicate right

3806
02:31:42,790 --> 02:31:40,720
and would that suggest some crazy form

3807
02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:42,800
of entanglement

3808
02:31:46,870 --> 02:31:44,080
no i don't think so because general

3809
02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:46,880
relativity allows um

3810
02:31:51,190 --> 02:31:48,880
so you got two two ships passing each

3811
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:51,200
other at very high speed

3812
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:53,520
but the thing is from the perspective

3813
02:31:58,630 --> 02:31:55,600
the speed of light never changes

3814
02:31:59,910 --> 02:31:58,640
right so even if you're going at uh

3815
02:32:02,710 --> 02:31:59,920
near the speed of light you're not going

3816
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:02,720
to catch up to this to the light

3817
02:32:06,630 --> 02:32:04,640
it's it's always going to be appearing

3818
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:06,640
to move at at c

3819
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:08,640
so i think that you could probably still

3820
02:32:11,510 --> 02:32:10,080
communicate i may be wrong about that

3821
02:32:13,190 --> 02:32:11,520
you need a physicist to answer that

3822
02:32:14,309 --> 02:32:13,200
question as opposed to me

3823
02:32:16,550 --> 02:32:14,319
uh but

3824
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:16,560
i think that it would still be possible

3825
02:32:21,190 --> 02:32:20,000
and you might see red shifting or blue

3826
02:32:23,429 --> 02:32:21,200
shifting and things like that of course

3827
02:32:24,870 --> 02:32:23,439
you would see that but yeah

3828
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:24,880
i would ask i would ask avi that

3829
02:32:28,630 --> 02:32:26,720
question yeah i mean how does the

3830
02:32:31,510 --> 02:32:28,640
communication happen you're not waiting

3831
02:32:33,910 --> 02:32:31,520
10 000 light years if you get a flat

3832
02:32:34,790 --> 02:32:33,920
tire on your spaceship and you need to

3833
02:32:36,550 --> 02:32:34,800
call

3834
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:36,560
a space uh

3835
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:37,359
aaa

3836
02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:40,479
you can't wait 10 000 years uh for a

3837
02:32:45,429 --> 02:32:43,600
jump on your battery

3838
02:32:48,469 --> 02:32:45,439
no you can't but there may be things

3839
02:32:51,510 --> 02:32:48,479
that we don't know about you know and

3840
02:32:53,429 --> 02:32:51,520
i i really like the idea of space aaa

3841
02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:53,439
let's take our break right here let's

3842
02:32:58,710 --> 02:32:56,560
get to overtime john michael gautier

3843
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,720
now when we come back after this break

3844
02:33:03,349 --> 02:33:00,800
everybody you know where i'm going i'd

3845
02:33:05,750 --> 02:33:03,359
like to have fun in overtime

3846
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:05,760
i want to talk time travel you ready

3847
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:08,319
let's talk about time travel let's do it

3848
02:33:11,830 --> 02:33:09,920
let's do it we'll be right back after

3849
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:11,840
this short break what a great show

3850
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:12,800
tonight

3851
02:33:18,470 --> 02:33:14,240
this is fade to black i'm here with

3852
02:33:25,430 --> 02:33:23,429
[Music]

3853
02:33:29,220 --> 02:33:25,440
yes

3854
02:33:30,500 --> 02:33:29,230
[Music]

3855
02:33:47,110 --> 02:33:30,510
[Applause]

3856
02:33:51,429 --> 02:33:49,030
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3857
02:33:55,370 --> 02:33:51,439
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3858
02:33:57,190 --> 02:33:55,380
jimmy church on jimmy church radio

3859
02:33:59,190 --> 02:33:57,200
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3860
02:34:05,900 --> 02:33:59,200
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3861
02:34:09,349 --> 02:34:07,190
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3862
02:34:11,510 --> 02:34:09,359
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[Music]

3944
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:26,950
i love it

3945
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:31,600
comment and i i

3946
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:33,120
want you to laugh

3947
02:38:36,550 --> 02:38:34,800
that was hilarious don't need to say

3948
02:38:38,630 --> 02:38:36,560
anything but uh

3949
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:38,640
you gotta love it man it's it's so much

3950
02:38:45,270 --> 02:38:42,479
fun so it's the job we do it's the job

3951
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:45,280
you know um we're heading into overtime

3952
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:47,680
and and i'd like to uh

3953
02:38:51,990 --> 02:38:49,840
i you know just have a little bit of fun

3954
02:38:54,389 --> 02:38:52,000
and i did want to discuss time travel

3955
02:38:56,550 --> 02:38:54,399
such a fascinating subject and

3956
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:56,560
and i think everybody is has dreamed

3957
02:39:00,309 --> 02:38:59,120
about it at one point or another and and

3958
02:39:02,870 --> 02:39:00,319
for you

3959
02:39:05,429 --> 02:39:02,880
uh if presented the option

3960
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:05,439
uh john do you go do you go to the

3961
02:39:08,550 --> 02:39:07,280
future or do you go to the past where do

3962
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:08,560
you go first

3963
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:10,960
where would i go um

3964
02:39:17,429 --> 02:39:14,479
uh i'm where i belong jimmy

3965
02:39:18,870 --> 02:39:17,439
i um i i'm buying that i'm not buying

3966
02:39:20,950 --> 02:39:18,880
that for a second

3967
02:39:22,070 --> 02:39:20,960
i would like to see other times i would

3968
02:39:23,110 --> 02:39:22,080
say that

3969
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:23,120
but

3970
02:39:38,790 --> 02:39:25,520
i

3971
02:39:40,150 --> 02:39:38,800
that

3972
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:40,160
um

3973
02:39:54,710 --> 02:39:41,359
i

3974
02:39:56,230 --> 02:39:54,720
we have no way that we know that's

3975
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:56,240
possible and it creates all sorts of

3976
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:58,960
weird paradoxes and everything else that

3977
02:40:02,309 --> 02:40:00,399
seems like the universe has a

3978
02:40:04,790 --> 02:40:02,319
prohibition against it now the past is

3979
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:04,800
back there but it it just isn't

3980
02:40:09,670 --> 02:40:07,600
accessible because you can't change the

3981
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:09,680
timeline and that's been well explored

3982
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:11,520
in star trek and every other area of

3983
02:40:15,429 --> 02:40:13,439
science fiction the future you can

3984
02:40:17,910 --> 02:40:15,439
travel to no problem just go fast or get

3985
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:17,920
near a gravity source like a black hole

3986
02:40:23,349 --> 02:40:20,560
like the movie interstellar um depicted

3987
02:40:25,990 --> 02:40:23,359
so you you can go forward but you can't

3988
02:40:28,150 --> 02:40:26,000
ever go back so if you do go forward

3989
02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:28,160
you can't ever return to the time from

3990
02:40:32,550 --> 02:40:29,520
which you came

3991
02:40:34,710 --> 02:40:32,560
and um that's something for me i'm i'm

3992
02:40:36,150 --> 02:40:34,720
pretty happy where i'm at but at the

3993
02:40:37,910 --> 02:40:36,160
same time

3994
02:40:39,349 --> 02:40:37,920
i would say

3995
02:40:43,349 --> 02:40:39,359
that

3996
02:40:44,469 --> 02:40:43,359
they they go at relativistic speeds all

3997
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:44,479
over and they don't care about the

3998
02:40:47,510 --> 02:40:46,080
passage of time they don't care if they

3999
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:47,520
end up in the future you know who says

4000
02:40:52,469 --> 02:40:48,960
they have any connection to their past

4001
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:52,479
you know what about the crucifixion

4002
02:40:56,469 --> 02:40:53,920
you wouldn't want to go back and see if

4003
02:40:58,630 --> 02:40:56,479
that actually happened

4004
02:41:00,550 --> 02:40:58,640
well

4005
02:41:01,910 --> 02:41:00,560
the the building of the pyramids how did

4006
02:41:04,389 --> 02:41:01,920
they pull that i would be more

4007
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:04,399
interested in the case in the case of

4008
02:41:08,389 --> 02:41:06,479
jesus of nazareth i would be more

4009
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:08,399
interested in having a conversation with

4010
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:09,520
him

4011
02:41:15,030 --> 02:41:12,240
than i would than seeing the crucifixion

4012
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:15,040
i'd like to ask him some questions

4013
02:41:19,349 --> 02:41:17,680
um but as far as the pyramids i'm

4014
02:41:21,190 --> 02:41:19,359
satisfied there that they were just

4015
02:41:23,510 --> 02:41:21,200
built by ancient peoples because the

4016
02:41:24,630 --> 02:41:23,520
reality about that is that what they did

4017
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:24,640
with those blocks of stones and

4018
02:41:28,550 --> 02:41:26,800
everything is less impressive than some

4019
02:41:30,389 --> 02:41:28,560
of the things the romans did you know

4020
02:41:33,030 --> 02:41:30,399
there's a monolithic column in rome that

4021
02:41:34,870 --> 02:41:33,040
was brought from egypt stuck on a barge

4022
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:34,880
brought across the mediterranean and

4023
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:36,720
erected in rome

4024
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:38,479
and the only reason that we don't really

4025
02:41:42,389 --> 02:41:40,880
invoke any sort of strange stuff around

4026
02:41:44,870 --> 02:41:42,399
it is because the romans told us how

4027
02:41:46,710 --> 02:41:44,880
they did it you know they left records

4028
02:41:48,550 --> 02:41:46,720
egyptians really didn't you know about

4029
02:41:49,269 --> 02:41:48,560
what they did but if you look you just

4030
02:41:51,349 --> 02:41:49,279
see

4031
02:41:53,429 --> 02:41:51,359
marks from stone tool or copper tools

4032
02:41:55,750 --> 02:41:53,439
actually on them and things like that

4033
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:55,760
and i just don't um

4034
02:41:59,510 --> 02:41:57,840
i don't see a reason to invoke anything

4035
02:42:02,710 --> 02:41:59,520
too strange with it

4036
02:42:05,190 --> 02:42:02,720
and again we ourselves right now very

4037
02:42:07,510 --> 02:42:05,200
much outdo the pyramids every time we

4038
02:42:09,590 --> 02:42:07,520
build a skyscraper yes

4039
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:09,600
we don't need an alien to do that

4040
02:42:14,070 --> 02:42:12,399
sort of no i'm not saying it's aliens

4041
02:42:16,950 --> 02:42:14,080
but um

4042
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:16,960
there yeah okay let's i want to stay

4043
02:42:20,870 --> 02:42:18,720
with time travel but

4044
02:42:23,030 --> 02:42:20,880
but you brought up obelisk

4045
02:42:25,910 --> 02:42:23,040
here's the deal with that

4046
02:42:28,230 --> 02:42:25,920
um in the building of uh the great

4047
02:42:30,150 --> 02:42:28,240
pyramids uh the great pyramid of the

4048
02:42:31,429 --> 02:42:30,160
three let's just go with that with giza

4049
02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:31,439
for now

4050
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:33,040
in that

4051
02:42:37,190 --> 02:42:34,800
in aswan

4052
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:37,200
the quarry where the red granite came

4053
02:42:45,910 --> 02:42:42,160
from right which is 500 miles south

4054
02:42:48,870 --> 02:42:45,920
of giza yep okay at 20 and it's not

4055
02:42:50,950 --> 02:42:48,880
isn't the quarry underwater now uh

4056
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:50,960
is it it's still accessible

4057
02:42:55,269 --> 02:42:52,479
uh i'm going to be there in a couple of

4058
02:42:57,750 --> 02:42:55,279
months i'll i'll take pictures for you

4059
02:42:58,630 --> 02:42:57,760
in in that there's an unfinished obelisk

4060
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:58,640
there

4061
02:43:03,670 --> 02:43:00,880
that weighs

4062
02:43:06,630 --> 02:43:03,680
okay to 2000 tons

4063
02:43:08,550 --> 02:43:06,640
right and they carve that

4064
02:43:11,910 --> 02:43:08,560
when you say that we've outdone that

4065
02:43:16,630 --> 02:43:11,920
today there's no way there isn't any

4066
02:43:19,670 --> 02:43:16,640
machine on this planet that can move a 2

4067
02:43:21,670 --> 02:43:19,680
000 ton piece of granite it doesn't

4068
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:21,680
exist

4069
02:43:25,750 --> 02:43:23,520
there's an egyptian obelisk in saint

4070
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:25,760
peter's square there's one in central

4071
02:43:29,750 --> 02:43:28,080
park yeah we we we can we can move them

4072
02:43:30,950 --> 02:43:29,760
if we want and i've been able to do for

4073
02:43:32,710 --> 02:43:30,960
a long time

4074
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:32,720
stay with me on this

4075
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:34,160
i'm talking about

4076
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:36,560
2 000 tons

4077
02:43:41,110 --> 02:43:38,800
there is in a crane

4078
02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:41,120
on this planet there isn't any way to

4079
02:43:44,710 --> 02:43:43,120
move that but

4080
02:43:47,030 --> 02:43:44,720
let's say

4081
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:47,040
it we could move it

4082
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:48,240
back at

4083
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:52,080
4 000 years ago 2000 bc

4084
02:43:58,389 --> 02:43:55,520
right we're at we're 2080. 4 000 years

4085
02:44:01,269 --> 02:43:58,399
ago there wasn't a barge

4086
02:44:05,590 --> 02:44:01,279
on the nile that you were putting that

4087
02:44:09,429 --> 02:44:05,600
had the displacement of 2 000 tons

4088
02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:09,439
it didn't exist it's it did there were

4089
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:11,279
no boats

4090
02:44:17,670 --> 02:44:14,720
that did that so how did these

4091
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:17,680
and i'll take it one step further

4092
02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:20,000
inside of the great pyramid

4093
02:44:24,309 --> 02:44:22,080
in the king's chamber

4094
02:44:26,150 --> 02:44:24,319
that's cool it's dramatic all right all

4095
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:26,160
right i can go with that above the

4096
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:27,840
king's chamber are the relieving

4097
02:44:34,950 --> 02:44:30,319
chambers and there's five of those

4098
02:44:37,349 --> 02:44:34,960
that are made of 70 ton granite blocks

4099
02:44:38,790 --> 02:44:37,359
each that came from

4100
02:44:40,389 --> 02:44:38,800
a swan

4101
02:44:42,469 --> 02:44:40,399
we know this

4102
02:44:44,550 --> 02:44:42,479
70 tons

4103
02:44:47,830 --> 02:44:44,560
a barge

4104
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:47,840
on the nile with the displacement of 70

4105
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:52,160
tons didn't exist it simply didn't it it

4106
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:56,560
didn't the size of the so i'm not saying

4107
02:45:00,710 --> 02:44:59,040
it was aliens i'm not going there

4108
02:45:03,269 --> 02:45:00,720
but there was

4109
02:45:05,349 --> 02:45:03,279
knowledge that we don't know about oh

4110
02:45:06,870 --> 02:45:05,359
i'll agree with that that is that their

4111
02:45:09,110 --> 02:45:06,880
knowledge and methodology the thing is

4112
02:45:11,110 --> 02:45:09,120
what bothers me about this type of stuff

4113
02:45:13,190 --> 02:45:11,120
is that we we i don't want to rob the

4114
02:45:15,910 --> 02:45:13,200
egyptians of their accomplishment you

4115
02:45:17,910 --> 02:45:15,920
can't i mean that i i think that when

4116
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:17,920
when even vote when someone invokes you

4117
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:19,520
know an ancient alien hypothesis or

4118
02:45:22,710 --> 02:45:20,800
something like that i think it demeans

4119
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:22,720
and cheapens what they did it totally

4120
02:45:26,630 --> 02:45:24,479
does and i'm not going there i'm not

4121
02:45:28,389 --> 02:45:26,640
going but as far as their actual methods

4122
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:28,399
they never they didn't write it down we

4123
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:29,120
don't

4124
02:45:33,030 --> 02:45:31,200
they didn't and i'm blown away by this

4125
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:33,040
maybe they maybe they had maybe they did

4126
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:35,920
have amazing gigantic barges for which

4127
02:45:40,790 --> 02:45:38,000
we have no evidence of

4128
02:45:42,550 --> 02:45:40,800
okay um but at the same time remember a

4129
02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:42,560
world war ii battleship

4130
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:45,359
weighs way more than a than obelisk it's

4131
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:47,600
uh like 40 000 tons you know something

4132
02:45:51,190 --> 02:45:50,399
like that so we can move stuff like that

4133
02:45:53,429 --> 02:45:51,200
but

4134
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:53,439
whether they could that long ago is a

4135
02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:56,000
question how they did how did they

4136
02:45:59,750 --> 02:45:58,240
or you could even invoke like for

4137
02:46:02,389 --> 02:45:59,760
example the uh

4138
02:46:04,630 --> 02:46:02,399
the the stones of stonehenge those were

4139
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:04,640
also originated very distantly from

4140
02:46:08,550 --> 02:46:05,920
where they're at

4141
02:46:10,630 --> 02:46:08,560
so how'd they do it and i i just think

4142
02:46:13,030 --> 02:46:10,640
that ancient peoples were smarter than

4143
02:46:15,910 --> 02:46:13,040
we think they were yeah stonehenge

4144
02:46:18,630 --> 02:46:15,920
stonehenge is easier for me to digest

4145
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:18,640
okay so you dragged the stones uh there

4146
02:46:27,590 --> 02:46:20,160
were trees

4147
02:46:32,469 --> 02:46:30,070
and so and here's here's another crazy

4148
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:32,479
thought this is why if i time traveled

4149
02:46:36,309 --> 02:46:34,720
anywhere i would go back i just want to

4150
02:46:39,030 --> 02:46:36,319
see how they pulled this off because

4151
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:39,040
they did that the pyramids are there we

4152
02:46:44,150 --> 02:46:41,040
can see them i just want to know how

4153
02:46:46,950 --> 02:46:44,160
they pulled it off and so those 70 ton

4154
02:46:50,790 --> 02:46:46,960
blocks uh in the relieving chamber

4155
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:50,800
okay so they quarry them at oswan they

4156
02:46:56,230 --> 02:46:53,600
get them across somehow

4157
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:56,240
the nile to the desert

4158
02:46:59,910 --> 02:46:58,560
and then they pull them through the

4159
02:47:00,870 --> 02:46:59,920
desert

4160
02:47:03,750 --> 02:47:00,880
to

4161
02:47:04,790 --> 02:47:03,760
somehow right water water in the sand

4162
02:47:07,030 --> 02:47:04,800
and they drag

4163
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:07,040
here's the deal 70 ton block

4164
02:47:11,190 --> 02:47:08,800
and you moved it

4165
02:47:14,070 --> 02:47:11,200
uh remember they built a great pyramid

4166
02:47:16,550 --> 02:47:14,080
allegedly in 20 years right okay so they

4167
02:47:19,349 --> 02:47:16,560
get the stones across the nile onto the

4168
02:47:23,429 --> 02:47:19,359
sand and they start pulling them

4169
02:47:25,349 --> 02:47:23,439
and let's 70 ton block right

4170
02:47:27,910 --> 02:47:25,359
oh it's amazing it's amazing and it's

4171
02:47:29,349 --> 02:47:27,920
it's but here hear me out

4172
02:47:31,030 --> 02:47:29,359
so they move it

4173
02:47:32,870 --> 02:47:31,040
a foot

4174
02:47:35,110 --> 02:47:32,880
a minute

4175
02:47:37,349 --> 02:47:35,120
a foot per minute that's pretty good for

4176
02:47:39,429 --> 02:47:37,359
a 70-ton block you've got a couple

4177
02:47:41,670 --> 02:47:39,439
hundred men pulling it right you've got

4178
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:41,680
ropes you've got somebody pouring water

4179
02:47:46,710 --> 02:47:43,920
in the sand

4180
02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:46,720
how long does it take to drag it

4181
02:47:53,510 --> 02:47:50,960
500 miles i want you to give me oh

4182
02:47:54,630 --> 02:47:53,520
yeah mentally just give me give me a

4183
02:47:57,750 --> 02:47:54,640
time span

4184
02:47:59,990 --> 02:47:57,760
oh it's it's it has to be enormous um

4185
02:48:01,190 --> 02:48:00,000
the other thing is that you got to do it

4186
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:01,200
how many of those blocks are in the

4187
02:48:06,389 --> 02:48:05,600
pyramid you know 400 years yeah and and

4188
02:48:08,790 --> 02:48:06,399
so

4189
02:48:10,309 --> 02:48:08,800
i i i want to i just want to know how

4190
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:10,319
they pulled that off they didn't have

4191
02:48:13,349 --> 02:48:11,359
the wheel

4192
02:48:15,269 --> 02:48:13,359
i would imagine water be the better way

4193
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:15,279
just to float it down the nile but you

4194
02:48:18,870 --> 02:48:17,200
just need a really big barge that's

4195
02:48:21,429 --> 02:48:18,880
specialized that hasn't been preserved

4196
02:48:23,429 --> 02:48:21,439
so we don't know what it is yeah i just

4197
02:48:24,790 --> 02:48:23,439
at least my knowledge my knowledge we're

4198
02:48:26,550 --> 02:48:24,800
sort of uh

4199
02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:26,560
you know my my thing is astrophysics i

4200
02:48:32,230 --> 02:48:29,600
like history but i'm no expert in it um

4201
02:48:34,150 --> 02:48:32,240
but it it it just must have been that

4202
02:48:35,190 --> 02:48:34,160
they were smarter than

4203
02:48:40,230 --> 02:48:35,200
than

4204
02:48:41,910 --> 02:48:40,240
it's a bias in other words remember you

4205
02:48:44,710 --> 02:48:41,920
could plug you could pluck an egyptian

4206
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:44,720
from that time out and stick him here

4207
02:48:49,510 --> 02:48:46,880
and he learned how to use a cell phone

4208
02:48:51,349 --> 02:48:49,520
you know he or she would would

4209
02:48:52,950 --> 02:48:51,359
totally integrate in society because

4210
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:52,960
they're exactly the same as us they're

4211
02:48:57,429 --> 02:48:54,000
human

4212
02:49:00,710 --> 02:48:57,439
know they're anatomically identical to

4213
02:49:02,309 --> 02:49:00,720
us now um because this was only we're

4214
02:49:03,110 --> 02:49:02,319
we're talking thousands of years you

4215
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:03,120
know

4216
02:49:06,550 --> 02:49:04,960
not tens of thousands of years or

4217
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:06,560
anything like that

4218
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:09,279
but um i got a weird one for you jimmy

4219
02:49:12,790 --> 02:49:10,880
and i'm gonna give it to me i'm gonna

4220
02:49:15,750 --> 02:49:12,800
tackle a show on it soon because i

4221
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:15,760
actually have a solid basis to do so

4222
02:49:21,750 --> 02:49:18,240
a hominid

4223
02:49:24,389 --> 02:49:21,760
in other words a relative to humans

4224
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:24,399
that may have survived into the historic

4225
02:49:28,389 --> 02:49:26,640
record as late as 1750 and may even

4226
02:49:30,950 --> 02:49:28,399
still be there in other words there is a

4227
02:49:33,830 --> 02:49:30,960
scientist an anthropologist

4228
02:49:37,349 --> 02:49:33,840
that has some evidence that maybe

4229
02:49:38,830 --> 02:49:37,359
muhammad is still was still with us

4230
02:49:42,469 --> 02:49:38,840
up until

4231
02:49:44,309 --> 02:49:42,479
recently and and what version

4232
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:44,319
this is homo flor

4233
02:49:49,349 --> 02:49:47,520
essiensis i think it's called and it was

4234
02:49:51,030 --> 02:49:49,359
called the hobbit you know how it's a

4235
02:49:53,190 --> 02:49:51,040
little tiny you know

4236
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:53,200
um humanoid i don't know if you want to

4237
02:49:57,510 --> 02:49:55,279
call it or not um

4238
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:57,520
hominid in other words it's it's of the

4239
02:50:01,670 --> 02:49:59,520
genus homo as we are is this in the

4240
02:50:04,230 --> 02:50:01,680
pacific or was in the pacific and in

4241
02:50:07,110 --> 02:50:04,240
indonesia and i like um right off the

4242
02:50:08,870 --> 02:50:07,120
coast but there is some interesting um

4243
02:50:10,870 --> 02:50:08,880
you could call it little foot little

4244
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:10,880
foot instead of bigfoot little foot

4245
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:11,920
right um

4246
02:50:16,150 --> 02:50:13,840
that could uh

4247
02:50:17,830 --> 02:50:16,160
i mean there is actual evidence maybe

4248
02:50:19,429 --> 02:50:17,840
you know maybe and i'm gonna interview

4249
02:50:21,269 --> 02:50:19,439
the anthropologist who's actually a very

4250
02:50:22,870 --> 02:50:21,279
well respected one so

4251
02:50:25,670 --> 02:50:22,880
it's it's it's interesting because this

4252
02:50:27,910 --> 02:50:25,680
is the one time where i could actually

4253
02:50:29,670 --> 02:50:27,920
because of my bar and what i do i could

4254
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:29,680
actually dip into

4255
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:32,880
what you might say is cryptozoology

4256
02:50:37,510 --> 02:50:35,600
are you okay with bigfoot

4257
02:50:40,070 --> 02:50:37,520
when i was a kid

4258
02:50:42,630 --> 02:50:40,080
i uh lived in oregon

4259
02:50:45,349 --> 02:50:42,640
and we found

4260
02:50:48,230 --> 02:50:45,359
or some people found and i saw

4261
02:50:49,750 --> 02:50:48,240
uh some big footprints

4262
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:49,760
and i

4263
02:50:54,710 --> 02:50:51,920
my my adult self says it was a hoax you

4264
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:54,720
know somebody put on some boots but

4265
02:50:59,110 --> 02:50:57,040
i am willing to listen i don't know you

4266
02:51:00,630 --> 02:50:59,120
know maybe there is a an extinct hominid

4267
02:51:02,710 --> 02:51:00,640
or or ape

4268
02:51:03,990 --> 02:51:02,720
you know that that's just so scarce that

4269
02:51:05,670 --> 02:51:04,000
we never see it but i think that

4270
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:05,680
somebody would have shot one by now you

4271
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:07,680
know or something yeah that's that's

4272
02:51:11,670 --> 02:51:09,439
that's the big debate

4273
02:51:13,510 --> 02:51:11,680
i have an open mind you know

4274
02:51:14,469 --> 02:51:13,520
i'll look at the evidence and

4275
02:51:16,870 --> 02:51:14,479
um

4276
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:16,880
it would certainly be interesting if

4277
02:51:22,550 --> 02:51:18,640
there was

4278
02:51:24,389 --> 02:51:22,560
you know these things uh but i i just

4279
02:51:26,070 --> 02:51:24,399
haven't seen anything that pushed me

4280
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:26,080
over the edge as far as being uh

4281
02:51:28,710 --> 02:51:27,920
compelled to believe that they're still

4282
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:28,720
there

4283
02:51:33,349 --> 02:51:30,080
i um

4284
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:33,359
i i saw a set of prints uh three or four

4285
02:51:37,590 --> 02:51:35,840
years ago i saw four uh i was with a

4286
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:37,600
group of people and they were discovered

4287
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:39,359
by some kids that were hanging out with

4288
02:51:43,269 --> 02:51:41,600
us but i i'm gonna tell you which i've

4289
02:51:44,309 --> 02:51:43,279
been on the fence about bigfoot i can go

4290
02:51:46,469 --> 02:51:44,319
either way

4291
02:51:48,070 --> 02:51:46,479
i just have an open mind oh yeah it's

4292
02:51:50,630 --> 02:51:48,080
interesting i mean

4293
02:51:53,269 --> 02:51:50,640
when i looked at those footprints

4294
02:51:55,349 --> 02:51:53,279
dude time slowed down like my whole

4295
02:51:56,230 --> 02:51:55,359
thing just like got off there was like

4296
02:52:03,269 --> 02:51:56,240
oh

4297
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:03,279
how my mind got twisted up so quickly

4298
02:52:07,429 --> 02:52:05,200
because i've been in this

4299
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:07,439
this denial about bigfoot and then you

4300
02:52:12,830 --> 02:52:09,120
see these

4301
02:52:14,870 --> 02:52:12,840
and i was i it was it

4302
02:52:16,309 --> 02:52:14,880
was well it's not that much it's not

4303
02:52:18,630 --> 02:52:16,319
that much of a

4304
02:52:21,030 --> 02:52:18,640
all right it really it is not that

4305
02:52:23,429 --> 02:52:21,040
extraordinary of a claim to say that a

4306
02:52:24,790 --> 02:52:23,439
species from the past is still with us

4307
02:52:26,389 --> 02:52:24,800
sure because it's happened you know the

4308
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:26,399
seal can't fish you know we thought that

4309
02:52:30,469 --> 02:52:28,960
thing was extinct for what 60 million

4310
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:30,479
years and then somebody caught one you

4311
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:31,760
know and apparently they're not good

4312
02:52:33,750 --> 02:52:32,640
eating

4313
02:52:34,630 --> 02:52:33,760
um

4314
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:34,640
so

4315
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:36,800
nasty looking fish by the way nasty

4316
02:52:39,990 --> 02:52:38,000
looking fish and they're they're

4317
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:40,000
terrible eating apparently

4318
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:42,800
but um the the the real the reality is

4319
02:52:46,469 --> 02:52:44,960
that it happened you know

4320
02:52:48,630 --> 02:52:46,479
and um

4321
02:52:49,750 --> 02:52:48,640
there's still people in tasmania that

4322
02:52:51,910 --> 02:52:49,760
are are

4323
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:51,920
are saying that the uh cylo thing is

4324
02:52:54,469 --> 02:52:53,279
still around that there's still

4325
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:54,479
sightings of them so there could be a

4326
02:52:58,070 --> 02:52:56,560
very small population and when you have

4327
02:52:59,670 --> 02:52:58,080
a very small population of something

4328
02:53:01,429 --> 02:52:59,680
that's on the verge of extinction it's

4329
02:53:02,950 --> 02:53:01,439
hard to find it

4330
02:53:05,110 --> 02:53:02,960
it's hard to find one you have to be

4331
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:05,120
really lucky and maybe that's the case

4332
02:53:09,990 --> 02:53:07,439
with with bigfoot but i i have not seen

4333
02:53:13,110 --> 02:53:10,000
compelling evidence that convinced me

4334
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:13,120
but it's actually less of a claim

4335
02:53:15,830 --> 02:53:14,319
to be honest with you as far as

4336
02:53:18,710 --> 02:53:15,840
plausibility it's actually less of a

4337
02:53:19,750 --> 02:53:18,720
claim than than um an alien civilization

4338
02:53:22,710 --> 02:53:19,760
being here

4339
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:22,720
um so it's it's it's possible and i i

4340
02:53:26,790 --> 02:53:24,479
certainly don't begrudge anybody that's

4341
02:53:29,030 --> 02:53:26,800
looked into it and saw more than i have

4342
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:29,040
when why is it

4343
02:53:34,070 --> 02:53:32,399
uh when we talk about time travel

4344
02:53:35,670 --> 02:53:34,080
and

4345
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:35,680
the

4346
02:53:44,469 --> 02:53:42,479
this moment in time that we are in

4347
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:44,479
right now

4348
02:53:49,110 --> 02:53:47,520
it's now past us right it's it's like

4349
02:53:51,830 --> 02:53:49,120
it's right here

4350
02:53:53,830 --> 02:53:51,840
why can't you know it's it's it's so

4351
02:53:56,710 --> 02:53:53,840
fascinating that we can't even

4352
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:56,720
we can't even go back in nanosecond that

4353
02:54:02,870 --> 02:53:59,840
gets that gets into a really weird area

4354
02:54:05,190 --> 02:54:02,880
of physics jimmy and this alludes to our

4355
02:54:07,670 --> 02:54:05,200
discussion about consciousness

4356
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:07,680
in physics there is no now

4357
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:10,080
in other words our perception of what we

4358
02:54:14,950 --> 02:54:12,800
call now doesn't exist there's only the

4359
02:54:18,469 --> 02:54:14,960
past and the future that's it in physics

4360
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:18,479
that's it and our concept of now and how

4361
02:54:24,070 --> 02:54:21,120
we perceive it is apparently a construct

4362
02:54:26,870 --> 02:54:24,080
of the human brain but not only

4363
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:26,880
is it that it's a construct of all human

4364
02:54:29,429 --> 02:54:27,840
brains

4365
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:29,439
we all

4366
02:54:33,429 --> 02:54:30,960
perceive now

4367
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:33,439
meaning that it's it's inherent to us

4368
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:35,920
even though it doesn't exist

4369
02:54:43,190 --> 02:54:38,800
is it because of here i'm going to spin

4370
02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:43,200
my chair over i'm going to grab a prop

4371
02:54:46,950 --> 02:54:45,600
grabbing a prop i have i have a problem

4372
02:54:49,390 --> 02:54:46,960
jimmy you got a whole wall of props

4373
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:49,400
behind you man well your mom i do i do

4374
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:50,880
[Laughter]

4375
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:53,840
and all those strings vibrate

4376
02:54:57,349 --> 02:54:55,439
yes you know what i got i got one you

4377
02:55:00,710 --> 02:54:57,359
can't see it behind me but i got a g l

4378
02:55:03,190 --> 02:55:00,720
you remember g l one uh yeah georgia oh

4379
02:55:04,389 --> 02:55:03,200
yeah i've got one of the old ones that

4380
02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:04,399
that actually sounds more like a

4381
02:55:10,389 --> 02:55:07,040
stratocaster than a stratocaster does

4382
02:55:12,150 --> 02:55:10,399
well leo always said that about gnl this

4383
02:55:14,630 --> 02:55:12,160
is what i always wanted to do with

4384
02:55:16,469 --> 02:55:14,640
fender it's not amazing it's got single

4385
02:55:18,070 --> 02:55:16,479
coils and it just sounds it sounds

4386
02:55:20,870 --> 02:55:18,080
better than my strats

4387
02:55:21,510 --> 02:55:20,880
do so i i i don't doubt it i don't do

4388
02:55:23,910 --> 02:55:21,520
that

4389
02:55:26,070 --> 02:55:23,920
leo was right lee was right built down

4390
02:55:28,870 --> 02:55:26,080
the street from where i'm at uh by the

4391
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:28,880
way it's just crazy okay so anyway yeah

4392
02:55:32,389 --> 02:55:30,479
um

4393
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:32,399
is is time

4394
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:34,319
because of

4395
02:55:38,550 --> 02:55:36,000
this

4396
02:55:40,710 --> 02:55:38,560
right the invention of the watch

4397
02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:40,720
and and the clock

4398
02:55:47,750 --> 02:55:44,240
we can't we we we are cognizant of it's

4399
02:55:51,030 --> 02:55:47,760
always moving forward yes

4400
02:55:53,670 --> 02:55:51,040
but there is in nature uh a metric and

4401
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:53,680
it's entropy you know sure you can use

4402
02:55:57,429 --> 02:55:55,760
to measure time um

4403
02:55:59,830 --> 02:55:57,439
our obviously a watch is that's a human

4404
02:56:02,790 --> 02:55:59,840
construct that's just what we decided to

4405
02:56:04,790 --> 02:56:02,800
arbitrarily measure it but in in nature

4406
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:04,800
itself there's entropy and you know

4407
02:56:09,190 --> 02:56:07,760
order becomes disorder over time

4408
02:56:11,510 --> 02:56:09,200
and that's true for the universe and

4409
02:56:14,950 --> 02:56:11,520
it's universal so there is

4410
02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:14,960
time in the sense of entropy um

4411
02:56:17,269 --> 02:56:15,760
but

4412
02:56:19,349 --> 02:56:17,279
again there's a lot of biases we have

4413
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:19,359
about that right now with us because we

4414
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:22,000
think well you know i was born in 1975

4415
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:24,560
and that was you know the 70s were this

4416
02:56:28,550 --> 02:56:26,720
but that's not really

4417
02:56:31,269 --> 02:56:28,560
that's sort of a construct but entropy

4418
02:56:33,429 --> 02:56:31,279
is not entropy exists and the universe

4419
02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:33,439
will always move from order to disorder

4420
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:34,560
unless there are very special

4421
02:56:39,590 --> 02:56:37,200
circumstances that reverse it and so

4422
02:56:41,030 --> 02:56:39,600
let's end the show on a on a bright

4423
02:56:42,230 --> 02:56:41,040
happy note

4424
02:56:44,870 --> 02:56:42,240
we can't

4425
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:44,880
is entropy

4426
02:56:51,990 --> 02:56:48,240
is is it always inevitable in that

4427
02:56:55,110 --> 02:56:52,000
you and i in this existence that we have

4428
02:56:57,910 --> 02:56:55,120
entropy is going to rear its ugly head

4429
02:57:00,230 --> 02:56:57,920
and we are going to completely unravel

4430
02:57:02,469 --> 02:57:00,240
at some point there's no nothing that is

4431
02:57:03,429 --> 02:57:02,479
going to stop it

4432
02:57:05,030 --> 02:57:03,439
yes

4433
02:57:06,710 --> 02:57:05,040
and um

4434
02:57:08,309 --> 02:57:06,720
entropy is just a reality but you can

4435
02:57:10,870 --> 02:57:08,319
delay it and reverse it a little bit

4436
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:10,880
because you know when you're born

4437
02:57:14,550 --> 02:57:13,680
you represent a sort of artificial or a

4438
02:57:16,870 --> 02:57:14,560
very

4439
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:16,880
different sort of of um

4440
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:18,560
reversal of entropy

4441
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:21,600
but then you age and you fall apart and

4442
02:57:24,950 --> 02:57:23,120
uh

4443
02:57:28,950 --> 02:57:24,960
the

4444
02:57:30,950 --> 02:57:28,960
you know star or something like that it

4445
02:57:33,990 --> 02:57:30,960
always dies it always ends and it always

4446
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:34,000
goes to from order to disorder

4447
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:37,040
and interviews is inevitable on a year

4448
02:57:41,110 --> 02:57:39,680
on a universal scale

4449
02:57:43,510 --> 02:57:41,120
unless there's another big bang in the

4450
02:57:45,670 --> 02:57:43,520
future and boom there it all starts uh

4451
02:57:47,750 --> 02:57:45,680
all over a reset

4452
02:57:50,389 --> 02:57:47,760
and i'll leave you with a very weird

4453
02:57:52,550 --> 02:57:50,399
thought that there are some who have

4454
02:57:55,190 --> 02:57:52,560
suggested including penrose

4455
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:55,200
that maybe if the universe is cyclic and

4456
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:57,120
big bangs happen over and over maybe

4457
02:58:02,150 --> 02:57:59,680
someone embedded a message in the cosmic

4458
02:58:04,150 --> 02:58:02,160
microwave background radiation and

4459
02:58:07,510 --> 02:58:04,160
that's something study should look at a

4460
02:58:08,550 --> 02:58:07,520
message from a previous universe

4461
02:58:09,750 --> 02:58:08,560
giving us

4462
02:58:11,750 --> 02:58:09,760
uh

4463
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:11,760
the the bright hope of

4464
02:58:15,990 --> 02:58:13,359
it's all going to end and it's all going

4465
02:58:17,510 --> 02:58:16,000
to start over

4466
02:58:18,710 --> 02:58:17,520
what was the battle struggle acting this

4467
02:58:19,910 --> 02:58:18,720
all happened before and it will all

4468
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:19,920
happen again

4469
02:58:23,429 --> 02:58:21,920
well

4470
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:23,439
you know in other words jimmy we're

4471
02:58:27,670 --> 02:58:25,120
going to have this conversation is exact

4472
02:58:32,870 --> 02:58:27,680
one again at some point no we're having

4473
02:58:36,630 --> 02:58:35,030
neither of us are wearing clothes you

4474
02:58:38,710 --> 02:58:36,640
know in the other

4475
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:38,720
in the other version of this i would not

4476
02:58:45,269 --> 02:58:41,760
i would not wish that visual on anything

4477
02:58:47,030 --> 02:58:45,279
and but but it it it is just a numbers

4478
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:47,040
game and

4479
02:58:52,870 --> 02:58:50,160
i will always look at it like that and

4480
02:58:53,910 --> 02:58:52,880
but here's here's the other thing

4481
02:58:56,389 --> 02:58:53,920
um

4482
02:58:57,910 --> 02:58:56,399
when we look at you know the prime

4483
02:59:01,190 --> 02:58:57,920
directive

4484
02:59:03,269 --> 02:59:01,200
and in its simplicity

4485
02:59:05,830 --> 02:59:03,279
it's science fiction

4486
02:59:07,269 --> 02:59:05,840
but it makes a lot of sense

4487
02:59:08,870 --> 02:59:07,279
and well

4488
02:59:11,830 --> 02:59:08,880
remember the interplay between science

4489
02:59:13,349 --> 02:59:11,840
and science fiction is very very close

4490
02:59:14,550 --> 02:59:13,359
you know the science fiction writer

4491
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:14,560
which is me

4492
02:59:17,510 --> 02:59:16,080
you know comes up with the crazy ideas

4493
02:59:19,830 --> 02:59:17,520
and the scientists

4494
02:59:22,870 --> 02:59:19,840
they say this is either no this this is

4495
02:59:24,950 --> 02:59:22,880
stupid or they say wait a minute maybe

4496
02:59:26,830 --> 02:59:24,960
there's something to that idea

4497
02:59:30,630 --> 02:59:26,840
it's the idea of speculation versus

4498
02:59:33,510 --> 02:59:30,640
experimentation and theory and well it's

4499
02:59:35,110 --> 02:59:33,520
always happened you know um i i'm my

4500
02:59:37,110 --> 02:59:35,120
entire career i'm basically doing what

4501
02:59:40,230 --> 02:59:37,120
arthur c clarke did you know

4502
02:59:43,190 --> 02:59:40,240
um so i uh

4503
02:59:44,710 --> 02:59:43,200
i can speculate where where the

4504
02:59:46,469 --> 02:59:44,720
scientists can't but i'm a science

4505
02:59:48,870 --> 02:59:46,479
fiction writer i'm not a scientist but

4506
02:59:52,950 --> 02:59:48,880
i'm presenting solid science

4507
02:59:57,590 --> 02:59:55,030
video games

4508
02:59:58,710 --> 02:59:57,600
you know the crazy thing

4509
03:00:01,830 --> 02:59:58,720
is that

4510
03:00:03,269 --> 03:00:01,840
video games represent some of the

4511
03:00:07,429 --> 03:00:03,279
brightest

4512
03:00:10,950 --> 03:00:07,439
speculation and theories and and

4513
03:00:12,790 --> 03:00:10,960
and science yeah i it's it's fascinating

4514
03:00:15,830 --> 03:00:12,800
to me oh that's why i mentioned mass

4515
03:00:17,990 --> 03:00:15,840
effect it was it was phenomenal on you

4516
03:00:21,190 --> 03:00:18,000
know i put that up against asimov or

4517
03:00:23,110 --> 03:00:21,200
anything um as a as a game uh or a story

4518
03:00:24,870 --> 03:00:23,120
you know story or what's being taught in

4519
03:00:27,349 --> 03:00:24,880
college

4520
03:00:28,150 --> 03:00:27,359
well that's true yeah yeah

4521
03:00:30,230 --> 03:00:28,160
i mean

4522
03:00:34,469 --> 03:00:30,240
you have to have all of these concepts

4523
03:00:35,590 --> 03:00:34,479
of of energy and resources and travel

4524
03:00:36,550 --> 03:00:35,600
and

4525
03:00:40,150 --> 03:00:36,560
uh

4526
03:00:41,990 --> 03:00:40,160
and time and all of this is rolled into

4527
03:00:44,469 --> 03:00:42,000
a video game

4528
03:00:46,870 --> 03:00:44,479
from the very brightest of minds and

4529
03:00:48,550 --> 03:00:46,880
scientists and that's why that's why i

4530
03:00:50,950 --> 03:00:48,560
am optimistic about the future of

4531
03:00:53,750 --> 03:00:50,960
humanity if we can survive things like

4532
03:00:56,230 --> 03:00:53,760
the current world affairs um

4533
03:00:58,070 --> 03:00:56,240
we still have some very creative minds

4534
03:01:00,150 --> 03:00:58,080
and we're still producing them and the

4535
03:01:02,550 --> 03:01:00,160
people that that engage and play those

4536
03:01:03,670 --> 03:01:02,560
games and think about what the content

4537
03:01:05,830 --> 03:01:03,680
actually means

4538
03:01:07,670 --> 03:01:05,840
is is quite high i hear from them in my

4539
03:01:09,349 --> 03:01:07,680
comment section on youtube and

4540
03:01:11,190 --> 03:01:09,359
everything and it's it's it's honestly a

4541
03:01:12,630 --> 03:01:11,200
little bit encouraging for me because

4542
03:01:15,190 --> 03:01:12,640
people are still thinking about these

4543
03:01:17,349 --> 03:01:15,200
ideas and being curious

4544
03:01:20,150 --> 03:01:17,359
yeah thank you this show was worth uh

4545
03:01:21,349 --> 03:01:20,160
the four-year wait

4546
03:01:22,870 --> 03:01:21,359
well maybe

4547
03:01:24,630 --> 03:01:22,880
if you ever want me back it won't take

4548
03:01:25,830 --> 03:01:24,640
four years yeah hopefully and i want to

4549
03:01:27,830 --> 03:01:25,840
get you on i'm going to do i'm going to

4550
03:01:29,269 --> 03:01:27,840
start doing a live stream version of a

4551
03:01:31,670 --> 03:01:29,279
horizon soon

4552
03:01:34,550 --> 03:01:31,680
and i'd love to have you on if you'll

4553
03:01:37,750 --> 03:01:34,560
drop by i would love to uh reverse the

4554
03:01:38,550 --> 03:01:37,760
roles um and and absolutely whenever you

4555
03:01:41,750 --> 03:01:38,560
want

4556
03:01:45,349 --> 03:01:41,760
how often uh really quick how often do

4557
03:01:47,510 --> 03:01:45,359
you uh launch stuff on the event horizon

4558
03:01:48,790 --> 03:01:47,520
event horizon is every thursday unless i

4559
03:01:50,150 --> 03:01:48,800
actually have something really

4560
03:01:52,309 --> 03:01:50,160
interesting that has to be released

4561
03:01:55,190 --> 03:01:52,319
immediately like i did with my interview

4562
03:01:57,510 --> 03:01:55,200
with uh senator congressman burchette

4563
03:01:59,429 --> 03:01:57,520
and so if it's relevant it gets released

4564
03:02:01,590 --> 03:01:59,439
immediately and rushed out but every

4565
03:02:04,230 --> 03:02:01,600
thursday is the cadence and my original

4566
03:02:06,710 --> 03:02:04,240
channel is very random and every few

4567
03:02:08,710 --> 03:02:06,720
days basically yeah there you go

4568
03:02:10,309 --> 03:02:08,720
john michael gautier thank you so much

4569
03:02:12,150 --> 03:02:10,319
what a great show i've got to get out of

4570
03:02:13,590 --> 03:02:12,160
here before the network

4571
03:02:15,670 --> 03:02:13,600
cuts us off

4572
03:02:17,190 --> 03:02:15,680
so behave and be well and then i'm going

4573
03:02:19,110 --> 03:02:17,200
to get up tomorrow

4574
03:02:21,910 --> 03:02:19,120
uh as you go to bed and i'm going to

4575
03:02:23,429 --> 03:02:21,920
watch these uh ufo hearings so

4576
03:02:24,710 --> 03:02:23,439
interesting no matter what even if it's

4577
03:02:26,309 --> 03:02:24,720
a stonewall

4578
03:02:29,030 --> 03:02:26,319
i'll talk to you tomorrow we'll see what

4579
03:02:31,750 --> 03:02:29,040
happens see jimmy it's a pleasure behave

4580
03:02:33,670 --> 03:02:31,760
and be well john michael gautier and

4581
03:02:36,870 --> 03:02:33,680
i've got to get out of here and i've got

4582
03:02:38,870 --> 03:02:36,880
45 seconds to get all of this in

4583
03:02:41,349 --> 03:02:38,880
this is fade to black what a great show

4584
03:02:44,469 --> 03:02:41,359
tonight i had such a great time

4585
03:02:47,269 --> 03:02:44,479
uh just we waited four years for this

4586
03:02:49,590 --> 03:02:47,279
but it was absolutely worth it thank you

4587
03:02:52,150 --> 03:02:49,600
so much and uh now

4588
03:02:54,150 --> 03:02:52,160
uh really quick fade to black is

4589
03:02:57,510 --> 03:02:54,160
produced by

4590
03:02:59,349 --> 03:02:57,520
renee hilton j palm dennis and kevin

4591
03:03:01,590 --> 03:02:59,359
announcers are steve harter gene patel

4592
03:03:04,309 --> 03:03:01,600
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4593
03:03:06,309 --> 03:03:04,319
music doug aldridge intro spaceboy

4594
03:03:08,389 --> 03:03:06,319
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4595
03:03:09,510 --> 03:03:08,399
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4596
03:03:12,790 --> 03:03:09,520
the game changer network in this

4597
03:03:14,309 --> 03:03:12,800
broadcast on a copyrighted 2022 by fade

4598
03:03:16,710 --> 03:03:14,319
to black and the game changing network

4599
03:03:18,309 --> 03:03:16,720
inc it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

4600
03:03:20,309 --> 03:03:18,319
copied or used anywhere in the known

4601
03:03:21,590 --> 03:03:20,319
universe without written permission from

4602
03:03:23,429 --> 03:03:21,600
fade to black and the game change

4603
03:03:26,389 --> 03:03:23,439
network i'm your host jimmy church

4604
03:03:28,630 --> 03:03:26,399
tomorrow night jay widener until then

4605
03:03:36,540 --> 03:03:28,640
everybody be safe